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  • Al, those marines will be more like Hannibal than the germanic tribes.
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • Exactly, the marines will retreat after the Romans build a time portal to send some men into the future to kill Obama.

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      • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
        Al, those marines will be more like Hannibal than the germanic tribes.
        What does this even mean? I don't understand your statement.
        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • Uhmn, you say that you haven't heard about Hannibal ?
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
            Uhmn, you say that you haven't heard about Hannibal ?
            No. What is wrong with you? It's obvious I'm asking what do you mean (that is, how) would these Marines be more like Hannibal than the Germanic tribes. I'm not understanding your comparison.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
              Uhmn, you say that you haven't heard about Hannibal ?
              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              No.
              Whoah! He hasn't heard of Hannibal!

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              • The Marines would if they where prudent be able to easily win the Empire but would never be able to keep it.


                This is because they are Americans you see.


                Even if their leadership was very clever, they would try to do something stupid like "bring democracy to Rome", make slavery illegal or tried to raise that status of women. All of which would have ended in disaster at that level of technology and the particular political, demographic and social circumstances of the time as well as piss everybody off. In short they would try to import at least some modern values to a time period in which they would simply not work. Not that Europeans would do any better (Saudis, Japanese or Africans might).
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                  Whoah! He hasn't heard of Hannibal!
                  I think that gribbler has expressed it quite clearly
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • "Not having heard of something" doesn't exist in times of Wikipedia.

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                    • Without resupply, marines would order their men to switch to single shots. Since there is no need for suppressive fire, each marine should be able to take out at least 50 legionnaires before he runs out of ammo. Then you have machine guns, mortars, grenades, etc. Marines would wipe out the first 150,000 or so legionnaires and be able to take over the empire for a while. But eventually, they would run out of modern ammo and be absorbed by the local population and fall in with whoever managed to become the political leadership at that time.
                      “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

                      ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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                      • The funny thing is that this has actually happened, and they became what we now know as the emperor's lover boys.

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                        • Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                          Even if their leadership was very clever, they would try to do something stupid like "bring democracy to Rome", make slavery illegal or tried to raise that status of women. All of which would have ended in disaster at that level of technology and the particular political, demographic and social circumstances of the time as well as piss everybody off. In short they would try to import at least some modern values to a time period in which they would simply not work. Not that Europeans would do any better (Saudis, Japanese or Africans might).
                          These are Marines, not just Americans. The values they would "import" would be gettign really drunk and trying to get with chicks. So basically they'd win one easy fight, have a huge party thrown in their honor, then all get poisoned in the orgy that followed.

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                          • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                            These are Marines, not just Americans. The values they would "import" would be gettign really drunk and trying to get with chicks. So basically they'd win one easy fight, have a huge party thrown in their honor, then all get poisoned in the orgy that followed.
                            I'm thinking this is the most likely outcome.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • Originally posted by Felch View Post
                              You'd just co-opt existing institutions. Rival generals were always taking Rome over. The Marines would be no different than Sulla or Caesar.
                              Jarheads aren't smart enough for this to be plausible.

                              I'm pretty sure that within the 2000 or so, enough are bright enough to reconstitute crude gunpowder and other makeshift explosive devices.
                              You would be wrong.

                              Are we assuming at least one of the marines knows enough Latin to communicate with these people?

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                              • Pretty sure Drake's factually wrong on this. As much as he likes to make fun of the marines, and by extension, Alby, I'm pretty sure they have higher IQ stats than the Army or Navy or Coast Guard. Can't find data on it right now though.
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