Destroying a Country's Standard of Living: What Libya Had Achieved, What has been Destroyed

[Dinner]

Yep, you have a mass rebellion and some guys in it will have checkered pasts. That said, no, the country isn't going to become Al Qaeda controlled or any other such nonsense. You've taken a few tiny details and then tried to blow it up out of all reality. Sharpen your critical thinking skills.

[HalfLotus]

'Some guys in it'? You mean the group's leaders?

For U.S. intelligence services, the man who led the rebel assault on Tripoli, and is now the de facto military governor of the capital, is an old acquaintance. The CIA had tracked down the accused jihadist, and eventually captured him in Malaysia in 2003. The agency is believed to have then transferred him, in total silence, to a “top secret” prison in Bangkok.

At that time, Abdel Hakim Belhadj, identified under the name of Abu Abdallah al-Sadek, born May 1, 1966, was already known for his long history as a jihad operative. This career began in 1988 in Afghanistan, like many other Islamist activists.

However if the CIA wanted him, it’s first because he was one of the founders, and even the “emir” of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), a small highly radical organization, which prior to Sept. 11 had two secret training camps in Afghanistan. The CIA was extremely interested in one of them, Shahid Cheikh Abu Yahya, about 19 miles north of Kabul, where the LIFG welcomed volunteers who had links with Al Qaeda.

In 2009, the Libyan regime, under the direction of Saif al-Islam, Gaddafi’s son and heir apparent, initiated an unexpected policy of reconciliation with the LIFG. The leaders of the group then published a 417-page document called “the corrective studies” (in French “les études correctrices”), in which they stated that holy war against Gaddafi was outlawed, since it was only allowed in Muslim countries that had been invaded (Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine).

The document may have been a way to avoid further torture. Nevertheless, it eventually allowed Belhadj to get out of prison -- and he didn’t keep his word for long. Indeed, he joined the rebel forces and took the lead of the movement in western Libya to lead them to victory in Tripoli.

Has Belhadj distanced himself from Al-Qaeda? It’s a thorny question when considering that the man has already perjured himself twice. It’s difficult not to see him involved in the recent murder of former Ministry of Interior Abdul Fatah Younis who had rejoined the rebels. According to a Libyan expert, the explanation is rather clear. “Younis used to lead the special forces and he conducted a merciless battle against the LIFG between 1990 and 1995 in eastern Libya.”

It is thus no accident that former members of the LIFG now hold the most important military jobs: Belhadj in Tripoli, Ismail al-Salabi in Benghazi, Abdel Hakim al-Assadi in Derna. Among the members of the Libyan National Transitional Council, one can find Ali Salabi. In 2009, on behalf of Saif al-Islam, he was the one who handled negotiations on the release of LIFG prisoners in exchange for them renoucing armed operations. Events in Libya have come full circle indeed!

[BeBMan]

No poll results

[Dinner]

BTW the Rebels are now claiming they found a cache of chemical weapons in southern Libya. Gaddafi supposedly gave up all of his chemical weapons a few years ago.

[Provost Harrison]

That does read a bit like a Trotskyist publication, but in many ways it has been a colossal step backwards for Libya. You have to think whether it would have been better to wait Gaddafi out...his successor would never have the same "cult of personality" as him and would hopefully be ousted with much greater ease. But yeah, the reconstruction starts and lucrative contracts will definitely go to the west - and the cost of this will be easy and cheap access to their oil. Call my cynical, but they are just another pawn in acquiring resources that are becoming more and more scarce.

[BeBMan]

Social achievements can improve a lot even after several years of bombing. Krauts know that....

[Serb]

Hitler could have been proud of his glorious "liberating" followers. F*cking American Nazis.

[Kidlicious]

Hitler didn't didn't use that language. You might be thinking of Stalin or Lenin.

[Dinner]

Hitler could have been proud of his glorious "liberating" followers. F*cking American Nazis.

Serbs just mad because this time Russia wasn't in on the bombing. He sure was gun ho when Russia was invading Georgia because the democratically elected government was attempting to assert control over a rebel area backed by Moscow.

[Serb]

Serbs just mad because this time Russia wasn't in on the bombing.

Blah-blah-blah. Sure it's Russia who within the last 20 years has bombed Serbia, invided Afghanistan, Iraq (twice) and Lybia. Sure it's Russia who is aggressive dictatorship which invides countries at will, don't give a sh!t about the international law, threatens the Worl's peace and stability and thus deserved to be bombed to the dark ages to "liberate" few survivors (if there will be any) from the terrible tyranny. In your f*cking dreams, buddy. Russia is not Lybia.
Только суньтесь, пизды получите по полной программе. Не топтать тебе своими ботиками нашу землю как ты топтал Ирак. И не такие упыри как Америка пизды ловили в России.

He sure was gun ho when Russia was invading Georgia because the democratically elected government was attempting to assert control over a rebel area backed by Moscow.

It really amazes me how dumb and blind the absolute majority of people in the "free" and "democratic" western World has become after all this bullsh!t your "free" and "unbiased" mass-media feed you. Really, you do honestly believe in all this bullsh!t. I just can't understand how low a human being should drop, how dumb he should become to start saying "it's black" when he clearly sees a white. Why is everything is up-side down in your media-brainwashed universe? Isn't it insulting for people to be a bunch of dumb sheeps and repeat obvious lies after their mass-media? Do you honestly don't realize that it is insulting to be manipulated? You are humans, not sheeps. Use your brains for God's sake.
In your brainwashed universe Russia was invading Georgia because it's democratically elected government was attempting to assert control over a rebel area. In reality and it's officially recognized by international investigators it was Georgia who invided South Ossetia, it was Georgia who started this conflict, it was Georgia who attacked and killed Russian peacekeepers and attack vs. Russian soldiers was a clear ACT OF WAR and Russia had all rights to defend it's peacekeeprs legally stationed in South Ossetia. This is reality.
As for Lybia, let me edit your line:
The USA bombed Lybia and overthrew the legal regime there because the internationally recognized, legal authorities of Lybia were attempting to assert control over an area captured by rebels who were inspired and sponsored from the Washington D.C.
That's classic regime change. First you create (buy) the opposition, then inspire revolts, then support your puppet rebels with your bombs. No single western soldier was harmed when the "revolt" started. Lybia didn't invide anyone, wasn't a threat to anyone. Their people enjoyed the highest standart of living in the region. Now the country lies in ruins. And within just few years (if not already) people there will cry for the times when they lived under "terrible dictator" Gaddafy just like Iraqis cries now about the times when they were living under the "terrible dictator" Hussein.
You bring death and misery to the World. You are the absolute EVIL of our times. The wolf in sheep's clothing. You and only you will be responsible for the next World War which is clearly coming (probably it will happen within next ten years) and more likely be the end of humanity, the total end. And this is reality.
Have a nice day, neo...

...nazi.

[giblets]

Hitler could have been proud of his glorious "liberating" followers. F*cking American Nazis.

Didn't your country sign a pact with the Nazis once? F*cking Nazi allies.

[Elok]

The constant references to The Matrix really help to reassure me that Serb knows what he's talking about and is not just another internet crank.

[Serb]

Didn't your country sign a pact with the Nazis once? F*cking Nazi allies.

Same pact as Great Britain, France, Poland and hell knows how many other European countries signed with Hitler BEFORE US?
Yeah, right, you have a point. Nazi allies, my ass.

[giblets]

Same pact as Great Britain, France, Poland and hell knows how many other European countries signed with Hitler BEFORE US?
Yeah, right, you have a point. Nazi allies, my ass.

The British, French and Polish are obviously evil. What's your point?

[Serb]

The constant references to The Matrix really help to reassure me that Serb knows what he's talking about and is not just another internet crank.

Can I get that as you liked my "Neo-neo nazi" figure of speech?