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  • #136
    Originally posted by Zoetstofzoetje View Post
    Meanwhile,
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    Dutch FM reaffirms that Greece is insalvageable. He says, the only question is how the EU will procede to process the bankruptcy
    Ah, the old "unnamed sources" schtick again.

    The Ministry says one thing publicly, and secret sources claim that secretly the minister believes the opposite. Which is less credible: unnamed secret sources, or bureaucrats?
    The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
    - A. Lincoln

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    • #137
      unarmed secret bureaucrats
      Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
      GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
        I've read quite a lot, thank you. I also trust the former Greek Financial Minister when he says Greek spending in 2011 is up 8% over 2010.
        Why do you trust him, when his account differs from others? What makes a disgruntled former Finance Minister (fired in 1993 and lost his parliamentary seat the same year) credible to you? Is it only because he says things you like to hear, or are there objectively reasons? He has reason to trash the current Greek government, after all, for political reasons.
        The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
        - A. Lincoln

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        • #139
          Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
          Please show that the teacher claim is false. There is a video linked here of the former Greek Financial Minister saying that there are three to four times as many teachers per capita in Greece then in Finland so I've named my source. Please name your source.
          The claim is four times the teachers, not three or four. This is actually pretty easy to check, using a web service at google.com. Search for "student-teacher ratio finland" (in quotes) and the very first response is for http://www.cesifo-group.de/portal/pl.../1/1192890.PDF, which includes a graph called "RATIO OF STUDENTS TO TEACHING STAFF IN PRIMARY EDUCATION, 2007" which shows us the average primary school student-teacher ratio in Greece is about 10, Finland about 15.

          If you want to argue that this excludes secondary education, I can certainly find those numbers, but you will have to explain why you think it feasible that Finland's secondary ratio could be about 6 times that of Greece (which it would mathematically have to be, to average four times the ratio).
          The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
          - A. Lincoln

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          • #140
            Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
            Please show that the teacher claim is false. There is a video linked here of the former Greek Financial Minister saying that there are three to four times as many teachers per capita in Greece then in Finland so I've named my source. Please name your source.
            sure. http://www.cesifo-group.de/portal/pl.../1/1192890.PDF

            look at figures 1 and 2. average class sizes in greece appear to be around 16/17, in finland 20. numbers of pupils per memmber of classroom staff appears to be around 10 in greece and 15 in finland. these figures are from the OECD from 2007. not really 4 times as many is it...
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #141
              @ cross post with grumbler.

              oerdin when a claim looks ridiculous on its face and is easy to verify, it might be an idea to check first.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • #142
                I believe he is including administration and over head to that figure.
                Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                • #143
                  oh really, why would he say teachers then if he was talking about something else entirly? please feel free to provide a source for that claim.
                  "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                  "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                  • #144
                    The source listed above. He speaks English as a second language (he's Greek) and he was the former Financial Minister so I'm guessing he was on to something and wasn't just making things up.
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #145
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      I believe he is including administration and over head to that figure.
                      Please cite a source for this contention. I think you are trying to weasel out of admitting your guy is full of **** on some topics. Even if you can show that Stefanos Manos really thinks that administrators and "overhead" are teachers (and can show that there really are the sixty times as many administrators and "over heads" per student in Greece than Finland, or whatever ratio is necessary), then you will have shown that he simply looks like a moron for a different reason.

                      Your dog just won't hunt.
                      The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
                      - A. Lincoln

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                      • #146
                        Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                        The source listed above. He speaks English as a second language (he's Greek) and he was the former Financial Minister so I'm guessing he was on to something and wasn't just making things up.
                        well if he was on to something then it should be very easy for you to find some evidence to back his claims up...

                        or you could just man up and admit you were wrong.
                        "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                        "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                        • #147
                          Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                          The source listed above. He speaks English as a second language (he's Greek) and he was the former Financial Minister so I'm guessing he was on to something and wasn't just making things up.
                          Politicians would NEVER make something up. Ever. Certainly not a politician responsible in part for a fiscal mess (former finance minister).
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                          • #148
                            Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                            now you might ask yourself why the troika acted in the way it did if the situation was so bad. well the answer is that the EU/ECB have two goals; to save the euro (and prevent any country leaving it) and to save the european banking system. once you view their actions through this prism, they make sense. i mean they've gone about it in the most wrong headed and incompetent way imaginable, but you can see what they were trying to do.


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