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  • Originally posted by Pax View Post
    How come you don't sound like black thought?
    I'll get back too you on the authenticity/fiction question
    How come I don't sound like Will Smith?

    People don't all have the exact same voice
    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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    • exactly, so your philly accent is irrelevant.
      It's funny that when I think of philly rappers I think Black Thought and you think Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
      Okay this is what I mean by authentic. Even if you yourself have not sold drugs, had sex, rolling in cash when you rap about it I should believe the story or be able to suspend my belief. Example, I know that Lil Wayne is not a real thug in the sense that he obviously has never sold drugs or killed anyone. However, when he raps he is believable because he has either done research or been exposed to people who have done those things. Then, he lets that come out in his lyrics and voice. His emotion and passion compel me to believe the story.


      Another great example is this song by pharoahe monche
      What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
      What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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      • AL,
        Both of these songs deal with the same topic "shooting and killing someone" but they do it in unique ways. And they have everything that you need to work on..
        1. You are in search of a style.
        2. Your lyrical content.
        3. Your lyrics/rhyme scheme/flow
        4. Your delivery
        5. Your backing music is usually boring

        Also watch when these guys are performing, they are animated. You can feel there energy. Even Rick Ross. When you are rapping you need to get into it. Be committed , attack the track so to speak. Your passion for your song has to come through or else it's boring. Listen to Aretha Franklin, you can feel what she is singing and listen to Method Man and Mary Blige same deal




        What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
        What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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        • Okay Pax, I really appreciate you taking the time and while I'm sure everything is making sense and is intuitive to you, you're not really helping me You have to understand, you saying things like "be authentic [even when you're talking about something you didn't do or isn't really you], be passionate, etc." are like these empty platitudes that sound good but don't provide me with anything concrete.

          You say be emotional but other people say I'm too emotional. I stress too many words and when I just rap what I consider monotonically, they think I sound better. My emotion makes me sound too halting and staccato is what people tell me. I don't flow smoothly; it sounds like stuttering because I'm stressing too many words too hard.

          You mention emotion but you cite people like Rakim. Rakim is monotone as hell. That man never strays from the same aggressive cadence.

          You bring up Pharaoh Monche. His delivery is way too unorthodox to emulate. The man always sounds off from the beat.

          Frankly, I'm lost. Remember my example of what I would tell your typical just-starting-to-rap guy? To shorten his bars to ~10 syllables and to hit the rhymes on the snares of the beat? I need something concrete like that. Something technical. How can I rock the beat from a technical standpoint?

          like you say I need to work on:

          1. You are in search of a style.
          2. Your lyrical content.
          3. Your lyrics/rhyme scheme/flow
          4. Your delivery
          5. Your backing music is usually boring
          But what the hell, man? How can I work on that? What is wrong? What exactly is wrong with the rhyme scheme/flow? What would make it better?
          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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          • It's funny that when I think of philly rappers I think Black Thought and you think Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.
            No, really, I think of Cassidy or State Property.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              No, really, I think of Cassidy or State Property.
              That's better, I was beginning to be concerned.
              What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
              What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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              • Good point about Rakim. With Rakim, I was referring to his rhyme patterns. But also his storytelling ability. Paid in full is a song that I can really relate to because his storytelling ability is just that good. His wordplay is incredible. I've been reciting this since 86-87

                I take 7 MC's put em in a line
                And add 7 more brothas who think they can rhyme
                Well, it'll take 7 more before I go for mine
                And that's 21 MC's ate up at the same time

                I'm also not advising you to try to copy Pharaohe Monches' delivery just the fact of how passionate he sounds about killing the mayor. When I listen to this song, I believe that this could have happened and also the originality of the song. So I'm talking about two things here original storytelling and passionate delivery.

                Passionate delivery. I gave you several examples above to give you and idea of what I mean by passion. I agree that it's an intangible quality. Never the less, it's necessary, if you want to be successful in life period. When I am talking about passion, I am not talking about how you stress your words at all. I see know reason why you would be halting or staccato other than lack of vocal control. Have you ever heard a song that made you cry. Have you ever heard a song that made you mad? Horny? Depressed? Happy? want to dance?
                So it starts with the content of your song. After you write your lyrics and read them back you should have some emotional response, you should probably be able to visualize what you are talking about as you read it back. If you read the lyrics and no feeling/ emotions comes to you then this song is a no go. Now lets' say that you read the lyrics and you got some emotional response. Now you must convey that response to the listener, like when you say throw your hands in the air. I never felt like throwing my hands in the air because your lyrics/rap/music did not incite me to party. Now on the other hand when you look at the Dead Prez song hip hop. It hasa better music than your song. it has a passionate delivery with deep lyrics. So maybe passionate can be translated to "I really mean what I'm saying" and that song does incite me to emotions and thought.

                I hope this is not to confusing but I would say that the formula for passion would be great music(beat), great lyrics, voice(delivery). I think your songs lack all three. I gave you a recommendation for where to find great music - that should help. I gave you a recommendation - to practice rapping over the beats to great songs - that should help. I gave you the recommendation to use original subject matter or use typical subject matter in an original way - that should help.
                P.S. I know that I gave you these specific recommendations so try them and I know that your songs will improve.
                What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                • Al,
                  I think that your rap songs would come out better if you first, decided on a goal for the song.
                  Example. I want this song to make people dance.
                  Then you picked backing music that made you feel like dancing or at least nodding your head.
                  Then you go through whatever process you have for making your rhymes.
                  When you play the song back to yourself if it does not accomplish the goal you had in mind then back to the drawing board.
                  Another way to figure this out is if you have a friend that knows how to dance and he/she does not want to dance to the song or can't get into the right rhythm on the song then back to the drawing board.

                  Also take the recent song by Nas and Raekwon. That songs hits on a lot of levels. I can run to it. I can play it in my car. In my headphones and it gets me pumped up. Notice how in the video, Nas is able to rock out with the beat. Your songs should enable you to do the same thing.
                  What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                  What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                  • What do you think about my rap lyrics as spoken word? Just recorded them now for you to hear.

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                    Last edited by Al B. Sure!; September 2, 2011, 23:19.
                    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                    • Here, Pax, part of that verse from My Melody you like so much. I spit Rakim's lyrics my way with my own cadence.




                      I found an instrumental and recorded me rapping to the beat but as a rap acapella. So the above was Rakim as spoken word. This is to the beat but just vocals:



                      Just trying to explore if it's my voice/delivery/flow or if its my lyrics not matching my voice/delivery/flow.
                      Last edited by Al B. Sure!; September 2, 2011, 23:58.
                      "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                      "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                      • Not criticizing yet but if you could do the same thing you just did with these songs


                        What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                        What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                        • I think the PE song fits your voice the best I just want to verify.
                          What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
                          What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation

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                          • I did and it all sounds like ass. I don't know the words so it sounds like me reciting it and trying to keep up with the actual rapper.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • I'm thinking I need to deliver lyrics more song-songy to fix that halting staccato. Probably have less emphasis on multiple syllable rhymes since that also contributes to that 'halting' effect.
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                              • How's this one?

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                                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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