London Calling

[Cort Haus]

Its dishonest to pretend the underclass isn't largely imported, not saying natives British youth isn't decadent and dangerous, but these kinds of incidents and problems would be much smaller and rarer had Labour not adopted a policy of importing new citizens with the express purpose of changing voting demographics and giving a big **** you to Tories and the right.

This has got nothing to do with the last govt's immigration policies. The people involved are not recent arrivals, though there are stories of turkish shopkeepers organising themselves in their areas to defend themselves against the looters. Good for them.

Unfortunately, everyone is jumping on this with their own political agenda as eagerly as the looters that want to exploit this to get something for free.

[MikeH]

Cort is right.

[Heraclitus]

Bollocks. I think you'll find that most rioters are either white-British, or 3rd/4th generation Afro-Caribbean/Pakistani/Bangladeshi. Few of the recent immigrants (Eastern Europeans, East Africans and West Africans) will be involved on the whole. Recent immigration is not at fault, the collapse of traditional family structure in these societies is far more likely to be at fault.

So you would agree that the state ending its war on traditional family structures would be a good idea? Perhaps even start favouring them?

Also where is your evidence that most of the rioters are White kids? Whites as a whole are about 60% of London, but Whites as a group have an older demographic profile than say Asian or Black British. Also aren't people always crying how underprivileged minorities are, could it be that them being overrepresented in the underclass might translate into them being overrepresented in lower and underclass riots?

Also have you even seen any of the pictures taken? Despite their very best efforts of the politically correct media with its inherent biases, Whites are no where near even 50% of people on those pics.

White kids are about 20 to 25% of the rioters and gangs causing the trouble in my estimates. My points about the absence of immigration would have made these problems much less problematic stands.

I think you'll find that most rioters are either white-British, or 3rd/4th generation Afro-Caribbean/Pakistani/Bangladeshi.

This statement is therefore dishonest at best. Also why in the world would it matter which generation of Afro-Carribean/Pakistani/Bangladeshi they are, when all the social statistics of the past 30 years point to them not converging or assimilating with the natives? And how can it then not be a race issue when race correlates with socio economic standing, political affiliation and age demographics?

Japan isn't a peachy place if you are at the bottom, but it dosen't have riots, precisely because it has old demographics and a homogeneous culture. I'm willing to bet Japan will be still pretty much about as decent a place to live in 40 years as it is today. England? Not so much.

[MikeH]

#riotcleanup is awesome.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/09/clean-up-riots?CMP=twt_gu

[giblets]

Our Fire Services categorically refuse to be used for riot control.

They want to be seen as a force that protects civilians, and never have anyone think twice about calling a fire engine because of any association with the police.

Which is good.

Doesn't riot control protect civilians? I don't get it.

[MikeH]

Can you **** off out of this thread and take your racism somewhere else please Hera?

[MikeH]

Doesn't riot control protect civilians? I don't get it.

Rioters are also civillians.

[dannubis]

So you would agree that the state ending its war on traditional family structures would be a good idea? Perhaps even start favouring them?

Define those "structures". And how do governements favour them or place them at a disadvantage ?

[giblets]

Well, arsonists are civilians but firefighters still stop their activities. I still don't get it. I can't imagine someone being afraid to call the firefighters when their home is on fire just because firefighters occasionally participate in riot control.

[giblets]

Also, since when were states at war with traditional families?

[Heraclitus]

This has got nothing to do with the last govt's immigration policies. The people involved are not recent arrivals, though there are stories of turkish shopkeepers organising themselves in their areas to defend themselves against the looters. Good for them.

Unfortunately, everyone is jumping on this with their own political agenda as eagerly as the looters that want to exploit this to get something for free.

Labours was far from the only government in Britain in the past 30 to 40 years to allow mass immigration. Sure they are off the hook for these riots, but are you honestly saying there won't be riots like this in 20 or 30 years? And are you honestly saying you don't expect the descendants of the Labour immigrant tsunami to be overrepresented in them?

My beef isn't with Labour far from it, its with Europe trying its very best to recreate America's race problems, just worse by bringing Islam into the picture.

People can pontificate all they like but the simple truth stands: Had immigration been more selective a generation or two ago, riots such as these would be much more mild if they occurred at all.

Also what is up with this faux political agnosticism? Riots are politics. The French and Americans learned this 200 years ago, welcome to modernity.

[dannubis]

I wonder if Hera thinks it was the turks who tore down the bastille...

[BeBMan]

I wonder if Hera thinks it was the turks who tore down the bastille...

[Heraclitus]

Also, since when were states at war with traditional families?

Since:

-Mothers are favoured in custody cases even when abusive
-Men are expected to pay child support for kids that aren't even genetically theirs!
-Since patriarchal family patterns are mocked or even proclaimed pathological
-Since religious people are mocked
-Since heterosexuality hasn't been normative any more
-Since motherhood has been devalued
-Since the welfare state has eliminated all incentives for women to find productive men instead of sexy men for mates.


Also what's up with you? Every state in the history of ever has been at war with the family. Because family is in direct competition to a man's loyalty to a religion/state! Even early Christianity was very unfriendly to marriage and family. Dude, read up on some sociological papers.

The modern state's regime of Anarcho-tyranny is just a bit more demanding in this regard.

[Heraclitus]

I wonder if Hera thinks it was the turks who tore down the bastille...

I'm sure some aristocrat quibbled as cleverly as you do a few years before the revolution. I hope you don't have any children, they may curse your generation for the Europe of the late 21st century they will inherit.