London Calling

[Cort Haus]

What happened is that they've had peaceful protest and nothing happened. They rioted once and improvements were made. They had more peaceful protests and were ignored again, so they rioted. Now reporters are all over the place wanting interviews. Purpose validated and served. The part of London where this is occurring is very poor.

Sorry, but your sources were inaccurate. What's happening now has got nothing to do with the initial flashpoint, other than the fact that the weakness of the police is a factor. Affluent areas have also been targeted.

[Hauldren Collider]

And I don't think burning down shops is going to engender sympathy towards the urban poor, but who knows, I could be mistaken.

[Cort Haus]

That's the point. What is the Prime Minister going to do? Everyone was *****ing and moaning that he wasn't around, as if he was going to personally quell the riots and everyone else was sitting on their hands waiting for him to swoop in and tell them to do. Now that he's back, surprise, surprise, all he is going to do is make useless speeches and pose for photo ops to pretend he is helping. He'd be better off playing tennis.

Y'all should quit trying to score political points here and just let the police do their jobs.

What does a PM ever do? The police haven't been doing their job, that's the whole ****ing point. 6,000 on the streets last night, and totally overwhelmed while mobs roamed, looted, burned and assaulted people. 15,000 tonight and they'd better go in hard to teach these little ****s that they're not going to get away with it. The PM can authorise the police to change policy - which is exactly what is needed. Until now they've been basically watching and moving the trouble from one place to another. Not enough resources to make arrests, taking them away and charge them etc, and fear of hurting the criminals because the officers will get in trouble if they lay a finger on the poor little darlings. That's why people's lives are being ruined, because the police haven't been able to do what they are supposed to do - which is maintain order.

Smoke a spliff in a park and you'll get arrested. Smash in the windows of a shop and loot it and they'll just watch.

Rumours are that another high street near where I live is going to get hit tonight.

[Cort Haus]

This is quite a good article.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...not-unexpected

I think a separation is needed between the Tottenham riots and the subsequent ones. Even so, while the police may have badly screwed up in Tottenham, it cannot be compared with the 80's. There are many other problems with his analysis too.

[Hauldren Collider]

Shoot them with firetruck water cannons, atlanta style

[Cort Haus]

I don't think we have them any more, unfortunately. I heard there is one in Northern Ireland, though. There's been sectarian rioting over there recently.

[Hauldren Collider]

Wait a minute, then how do you put out fires?

[Cort Haus]

Wait a minute, then how do you put out fires?

Oh, sorry, you mean fire engines. Water cannons means this over here:



I never heard of fire engines / trucks being used for riot control. Surely they need to be armoured.

There is discussion about it though.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/theresa-may-water-cannon-riots

[Hauldren Collider]

If I recall correctly, they used them in Atlanta a long time ago to fight black sit-ins. Not exactly noble, but it could be employed here, I would think.

[Heraclitus]

That **** is insane. It looks like thugs feel like they have the upper hand because if they all attack at the same time the police will be over stretched. You have to send in the army, or if you have some kind of in between force between the cops and the army, send that.

Usually when lootings happen, the reason is something really huge, like Katrina, in Argentina we had lootings twice, 1989 and 2001, the first time we had hyperinflation worse than the Weimar Republic, the second, a 4 years economic depression with deflation and imminent default. This one is different, reminds me a little of the French crisis of a few years ago with all the car burnings.

Do these thugs belong to some group? are they ethnic brits or immigrants? all mixed? just regular criminals?

More or less the same scenario we've seen more and more often all over the West in the past few years. Two examples:

In 2003 in Benton Harbor, Michigan a 'youth' died after crashing a motorcycle he had just stolen while being pursued by police. The 'community' responded by burning and looting.

In 2005 in Paris two 'youths' were killed when they electrocuted themselves while hiding from police after breaking and entering. The 'community' responded by two weeks of rioting, burning over 8,000 cars.

Each time a thug is killed by his own criminality and stupidity and each time the 'community' reacts by blaming 'racist police' and promptly using it as an excuse to commit more criminality and stupidity.

[lightblue]

I think the fire engines would be needed to put out the various fires more than spraying protesters. Water cannon would be useful but only Northern Ireland has them in the UK (and then only 6), and it is the middle of marching season over there so they'll need them themselves.

A lot of the "experts" seem to suggest that if the police were to deploy water cannon, baton rounds or tear gas it would seem like they lost control. I think it is getting beyond that point now. It won't be long before residents in affected areas will set up vigilante groups, which would lead to a serious escalation.

[Heraclitus]

BBC reporter attacked:

[Hauldren Collider]

If you sprayed the protesters, would there still be any fires to put out?
You need to stop the arsonists to stop the fires.

[Heraclitus]

Fortunately vigilante groups are already subduing the rioters and force them to strip their clothes and donate them as penance.



Or at least that's what I'm sure is going on in this picture.


Also here is a video of good Samaritans helping a citizen back on his legs.

[Heraclitus]

And I don't think burning down shops is going to engender sympathy towards the urban poor, but who knows, I could be mistaken.

It usually works in America dosen't it?


Colin Liddel writes on altright about this situation

Passport to Tottenham!

Thanks to the Metropolitan Police's ridiculous policy of appeasement, a large part of North London resembles a bombed out scene from the 1940 Blitz following a night of rioting by the city's Afro-Caribbean "community." The riots started after about 300 people gathered outside a police station in the gang-infested area and demanded "justice" following a shooting incident in which a policeman and a suspected gang member were both shot in what appears to have been an exchange of fire.

Faced by what initially started as a peaceful demonstration, the police responded with their usual "culturally sensitive," "softly softly" approach of showing sympathy, maintaining a low police presence, avoiding assertive gestures, allowing the mob to vent its emotions, and retreating behind barriers, effectively giving a green light to the rioters and anyone else who was interested to run amok.

With other emergency services unable to intervene, scores of shops were looted and burnt, while the inadequate numbers of police officers sent to contain the violence were not properly equipped with riot gear resulting in several officers being hospitalized.

Despite the unfortunate results of this policy and the obvious criminality of a large section of the West Indian "community," much of the emphasis in the mainstream media has been on rationalizing the actions of the mob as an understandable if regrettable reaction to police shortcomings and attributing all negative actions to a "tiny unrepresentative minority" – the typical hallmarks of the leftist multiracial state in damage limitation mode.

The truth is that whatever the Metropolitan Police do to police the gun, knife, and drug crime of London's West Indian "community," it will breed resentment. Drug-fuelled criminality and gang culture are so ingrained among young West Indians that any effective policing has to involve frequent interactions between the police and this group that can only breed tension and resentment.

The attempt to eradicate the criminality of the West Indian "community" is problematic for the leftist multiracial state as it essentially involves the imposition of White standards on an ethnic group that clearly has little inclination to accept these standards. For this very reason most of the establishment types have been calling for greater interaction with "community leaders." This is a subtle recognition of the fact that Tottenham and other heavily Black neighborhoods are de facto independent statelets whose main connection with wider British society is as recipients of welfare and repositories of badly retailed drugs.

In 1949, a few years after the original Blitz, Ealing Studios released an amusing little film called Passport to Pimlico in which the Pimlico district of London gains independence after an ancient charter is discovered ceding the area to Burgundy. The Pimlico "Burgundians" then connive to turn their state into a free-trade zone for entrepreneurs, crooks, and those eager to escape Britain's harsh rationing restrictions. The British government then respond by closing the border with barbed wire and cutting off water and electricity.

With the British state being unwilling to effectively police Tottenham and to effectively cut off its drug trade, perhaps the time is here to try the Pimlico Experiment for real. If London's Afro-Caribbean population really is a "community," one way to deal with its White-defined criminality in a way that won't breed constant ethnic resentment might be to give it its own little statelet based on the area they have clearly marked out as their own in North London. After the Union Jack is lowered, then perhaps we can deal with the crime and drugs that would inevitably flow from that area by closing the border in the same way that the British government did in the film.

In Passport to Pimlico, the resourcefulness and resilience the "Burgundians" show in their good-natured confrontation with the British government is ironically used to demonstrate how "British" they are. One character, Mrs Pemberton proudly states: "We've always been English and we'll always be English; and it's precisely because we are English that we're sticking up for our right to be Burgundians!" Eventually the cultural affinity of the Burgundians with England wins out and the area is reincorporated into the United Kingdom. If the Pimlico Experiment was ever to be used in North London, one suspects that the rupture would be permanent.