Thread in which the world laughs at America

[Asher]

Zev

You are either intellectually challenged or blinded by your biases; or perhaps you are simply a callous child. What he says is inhumane bull****.

[Asher]

What's more, their motives are also irrelevant to whether their positions are right or wrong--so calling a person heartless for supporting or opposing a policy is, in a sense, a pointless distraction, an ad hominem.

What kind of idiot thinks "right" or "wrong" in a debate about human life can be settled without touching on morality?

It's not an ad hominem, this a complicated issue that is philosophical, moral, as well as economic. To call a position which neglects to look at the "human" portion of the debate "heartless" is, in fact, somewhat of an understatement.

People differ in their value of human life. People like you and HC choose not to value it, so you make health care a "nice to have". I believe humans living in rich, developed countries (those which are capable of offering the care) should receive health care without sending them into an irrevocable debt spiral.

It is undeniably an issue riddled with moral questions. If you refuse to acknowledge the moral issues, it's just because you are an immoral douchebag. This is not an ad hominem. It is a statement of fact.

[MikeH]

It must be only in the US out of all developed nations where the debate is whether or not to have universal healthcare, rather than how to supply it and what it should include.

The US is weird.

[Dinner]

Ouch.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh, lol. Not offering help to a sick person when you're perfectly capable of doing that isn't a moral failing now? Because... uh... it wouldn't be a moral failing if you were poor and didn't have the means to help... yeah, that's really logical.

So why are you attending college and not using all that money to help starving Africans?

[Asher]

The US is "the only major developed country" to do a lot of weird things. Look at where the US stands on the death penalty. Its contemporaries are countries the US condemns regularly.

[Asher]

So why are you attending college and not using all that money to help starving Africans?

Because national health care is directly comparable to a teenager solving world hunger...

There's a name for this kind of fallacy. Do you know it?

[Hauldren Collider]

We're still richer than you are (per capita!), so we're evidently doing something right.

[MikeH]

The US is "the only major developed country" to do a lot of weird things. Look at where the US stands on the death penalty. Its contemporaries are countries the US condemns regularly.

Yep.

[MikeH]

We're still richer than you are (per capita!), so we're evidently doing something right.

Ah, there can't possibly be anything that requires improvement then can there.

[Asher]

We're still richer than you are (per capita!), so we're evidently doing something right.

How can a country so rich be so much in debt, except by complete fiscal incompetence?

For a country so rich, your unemployment rate is awfully high and your economy rather ****ty. Canada's humming along quite nicely...the only thing holding us back is our export market to the US, which has fallen flat on its face.

[giblets]

So why are you attending college and not using all that money to help starving Africans?

Are you an idiot? I'll probably gain more income from going to college than it will cost me. If I were dedicated to helping starving Africans of course I would go to college.

[Hauldren Collider]

How can a country so rich be so much in debt, except by complete fiscal incompetence?

Barack Obama

[Hauldren Collider]

Are you an idiot? I'll probably gain more income from going to college than it will cost me. If I were dedicated to helping starving Africans of course I would go to college.

Well hold on, then why are we redistributing to give healthcare to rich people when poor people in the world don't even have food?

[MikeH]

WTF?! He's nowhere near as bad as W was for debt.