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I do think of one foreign policy place (last 20 years) that America should be ashamed about and was completely terrible, that is Gitmo and similar issues.
JM
There's also the tying of aid dollars to programs that suit the religious right.
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I do think of one foreign policy place (last 20 years) that America should be ashamed about and was completely terrible, that is Gitmo and similar issues.
Jon Miller- I AM.CANADIAN
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Kitschum, what do you think of trade, diplomacy, media and all the other tools that governments and countries use to further their own interests in the world (and the position of the groups/people who put them in power)?
I would say that some of the economic/trade actions that the european union has made as caused as much harm to people (in different parts of the world) as the Iraq war did.... (same with the US too, I am not saying we don't do this)
JM
I think you want a serious answer so I'll forego my instinct to just blame the French as usual. (If you press me, I'll include the Brits.)
In general, I don't think it fair to fully equate the EU with the USA, but do you want me to concede that all countries are prone to realpolitik? (Media? CNN? BBC? Who reads Le Monde or Der Spiegel in the USA?)
I might do that, but I can't escape the thought that some countries that exist today are more prone than others to think they're on a "mission" to "save" the world. That's about where I figure the US.
How about all the innocent people that got killed? Jesus, you're ****ing whining about some terrorists getting locked up in sunny Cuba, but don't give two ****s about all the dead civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan...
As far as the 'mission to spread democracy/liberalism/enlightenment' goes, the US wasn't the one who wanted NATO/etc involvement in the Libya Civil War.
I think how obviously a nation goes about using it's position depends on how strong it's position is. That is why I compared the US to the EU, obvious France and Britain (being larger nations) are going to have a stronger position than Sweden and so are more obvious about using their position to further their own interests.
JM
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I think how obviously a nation goes about using it's position depends on how strong it's position is. That is why I compared the US to the EU, obvious France and Britain (being larger nations) are going to have a stronger position than Sweden and so are more obvious about using their position to further their own interests.
Sorry, Jon, my friend, I'm sure your intentions are the best but this song expresses how most of us feel right now:
On the (long, long, ****ing long) drive up to my mom's place in northern Michigan today, I was struck by a relatively simple idea that seemed to solve some foreign policy issues, as well as help the US economy. In fact, it seems so simple, that I must be missing something completely ****ing obvious as to why no one is suggesting it.
We've got many closed military bases around the country. We've got ****tons of military stationed overseas (even before these ruinous wars).
All those troops in Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, East Asia, Cuba... bring them home. Station them on re-opened bases. The towns around those bases get a crapload of economic stimulus and new jobs. We save ****tons of money just on the logistics of not supplying the military around the world. And we're far less likely to stick our nose into every pissant country we please, as we no longer have the capability.
Clearly, I'm missing something. Seriously. And I don't think it is only "we won't give up our global military," there's gotta be something else. What is it?
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
On the (long, long, ****ing long) drive up to my mom's place in northern Michigan today, I was struck by a relatively simple idea that seemed to solve some foreign policy issues, as well as help the US economy. In fact, it seems so simple, that I must be missing something completely ****ing obvious as to why no one is suggesting it.
We've got many closed military bases around the country. We've got ****tons of military stationed overseas (even before these ruinous wars).
All those troops in Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, East Asia, Cuba... bring them home. Station them on re-opened bases. The towns around those bases get a crapload of economic stimulus and new jobs. We save ****tons of money just on the logistics of not supplying the military around the world. And we're far less likely to stick our nose into every pissant country we please, as we no longer have the capability.
Clearly, I'm missing something. Seriously. And I don't think it is only "we won't give up our global military," there's gotta be something else. What is it?
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I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. Sure
So a proposal by a liberal Polytubbie has the support of a conservative Polytubbie.
How is it we can agree on **** like this, but Congress can't stop itself from driving the country into a depression?
And, more seriously, what the hell is my proposal missing? Why isn't this **** happening?
The irony is that what you're proposing is basically a stimulus package that pays people to do nothing. Conservatives balk at the mere possibility this could happen for civilians, but do it for the military and they're happy to play along.
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