Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[kentonio]

Uh, when Mitch Daniels passes a bill through the Indiana legislature, that isn't blackmail.

Nope, if you can get enough support to change the law then thats that, but when the PP opponents keep needing to tell blatant lies about the organization in the press to sway people to their side, its all a bit pathetic.

[kentonio]

HC, calm down, you're doing yourself no favors here. Ken, I meant that they are human shields in terms of federal funding. We can't defund abortion without defunding reasonable reproductive services as well. If there were a pro-life equivalent PP would be dead in the water; it'd suck away funding at lightning speed, leaving the country's most important abortion provider SOL.
But no, the pro-life movement has to be largely run by zealots, which is why it's gained little traction for the past forty years.

If theres a significant enough amount of people so against abortion, why hasn't someone done it by now?

[Elok]

Oh and as for that, if you don't think its moral then get the law changed. Morality is subjective.

If you're referring to making abortion illegal, that's impossible. SCOTUS has been sitting on the argument for decades. In the process they've mobilized the pro-life base while not preventing us from passing a barrage of onerous regulations to make life hell for abortion providers in unsympathetic states. I guess our side isn't the only one that needs a dose of sense.

[Hauldren Collider]

If theres a significant enough amount of people so against abortion, why hasn't someone done it by now?

Roe v. Wade, obviously. Worst decision since Plessy v. Ferguson.

[Elok]

If theres a significant enough amount of people so against abortion, why hasn't someone done it by now?

1. The Supreme Court takes a looong time to change members
2. The fact that so many of them are also opposed to contraception
3. Idiot stunts like terrorism that drive away sympathizers
4. The movement being symbiotically attached to the Christian Right makes it easily branded as a violation of religious freedom.

Among other things.

[Hauldren Collider]

As a policy issue, my personal opinion is that we should a) make traveling to other states to get abortions illegal and then b) allow states to decide whether to make abortions legal, simply because it is a contentious moral issue. But personally I'd be delighted to see it banned everywhere.

[Elok]

A) would be a PITA to enforce, if not impossible.

[Hauldren Collider]

Require a state ID card, and perhaps proof of residence?

[Imran Siddiqui]

There is that pesky Constitution to deal with. The Priviledges and Immunities Clause to be more specific. You can't tell someone that they can't do the same thing in their state that state citizens can (unless it is an activity that is location specific - like voting). It'd be like denying someone from a dry county to drink in a wet county because they aren't from there.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Now I'm confused.

Bush got Ben banned?

If that's the case, I have to reassess my views of our ex-President.

[Hauldren Collider]

There is that pesky Constitution to deal with. The Priviledges and Immunities Clause to be more specific. You can't tell someone that they can't do the same thing in their state that state citizens can (unless it is an activity that is location specific - like voting). It'd be like denying someone from a dry county to drink in a wet county because they aren't from there.

Yes you can. Gun licenses work like that, for instance. It's also illegal to take a minor across state lines in order to evade age of consent laws. Both are similar to this.

[Felch]

There is that pesky Constitution to deal with. The Priviledges and Immunities Clause to be more specific. You can't tell someone that they can't do the same thing in their state that state citizens can (unless it is an activity that is location specific - like voting). It'd be like denying someone from a dry county to drink in a wet county because they aren't from there.

Then why can't I buy a handgun in Virginia?

[Guynemer]

Did you miss the part where that 3% is so critical that they won't stop doing it even if it means they lose ****loads of money? And the fact that they relentlessly advocate baby murder?

Dude. Seriously.

[Hauldren Collider]

Dude. Seriously.

Baby murder

[Guynemer]

Hyperbole is, generally speaking, not an efficient way to win converts to one's point of view.