Why do 90% of black people vote for Democrats?

[Imran Siddiqui]

It doesn't matter.

The point of the article from hiphoprepublican.com (I like that name ) is not that any such relationship exists currently. It did exist 40+ years ago, however, and that was enough to color mindsets. The WEB DuBois paradigm continues to color the perceptions of most Black voters today because of that experience.

Very well said. At least in this current discussion, Alby, you are knocking the ball out of the park.

[Guynemer]

It is rather easy for all us white folk to forget that legalized discrimination existed in the lifetime of many blacks, including most black leaders.

For a medical perspective, I am always discouraged when black families express distrust of the medical establishment, until I remember that the Tuskegee experiments fall under the same timeframe.


It's only been four or five decades since the government stopped actively ****ing blacks in the ass, no lube. It's going to take longer than that to eliminate centuries of oppression.

[Jon Miller]

Exactly Guy.

I was thinking it was about time to end AA until I went to VA 5 years ago.

Now I realize it needs to be in place for at least another 20 years.

JM

[MrFun]

I would bet that they likely would in a presidential election. If Colin Powell had run against John Kerry, who do you think they would have voted for?

Nobody likes Michael Steele, not even Republicans. Of course he didn't win.

Colin Powell though, is a more moderate Republican compared to many other Republicans. I can see an increase of black votes for someone like Powell. Not just because he's black but because, compared to other Republican candidates he is more moderate.

And the earlier talk about blacks voting for politicians just because those candidates are black. We can say the same about a large number of white people - until recently, many white people will vote for the candidate who is white, rather than a candidate of another race.

Even during the Obama campaign, white West Virginians openly admitted to not voting for Obama because he's black.

[Heraclitus]

Exactly Guy.

I was thinking it was about time to end AA until I went to VA 5 years ago.

Now I realize it needs to be in place for at least another 20 years.

JM

Do you honestly think affirmative action won't be in place 60 years from now? And if it is done away with do you honestly expect this to be because earning and achievement gaps will shrink and won't need the policy to stay that way?

It is true that Affirmative action is the backbone of the Black middle class and is something Blacks should fight very hard to keep and expand, yet affirmative action hurts the economy. I much prefer direct reparations for slavery or whatever it is people feel guilty about than to mess with wealth production.

Its value in actually improving the performance of Blacks as a group is probably near nil anyway. You can't expect to foster certain values and behaviours in a community by simply giving them the rewards that go with them. Also I find it incredible people believe that less qualified and less competent people aren't hired because of this policy.

It is rather easy for all us white folk to forget that legalized discrimination existed in the lifetime of many blacks, including most black leaders.

Same can be said of both East and South Asians. Caribbean Blacks who also come from a history of slavery and are foreign to boot also outperform native Blacks (and even average Americans on most relevant metrics) with ease despite the supposed lingering effects of discrimination and injustice. None of these groups needed anti-white discrimination in employment to succeed.

[Jon Miller]

I don't feel any guilt.

I have large doubts about transfer payments though, I think that would just 'assuage guilt' and not help repair problems.

There is a big diference between giving an ex-felon a job where they contribute to society and have enough money to care for themselves and giving them a transfer payment for all their life, for example.

It is sort of like 'teaching to fish' versus 'giving fish'.

Possibly instead giving free scholarships to higher education for all african americans/native americans and other mechanisms over AA as currently implemented?

JM

[Jon Miller]

Possibly instead giving free scholarships to higher education for all african americans/native americans and other mechanisms over AA as currently implemented?

And yeah, maybe it is less efficient for the particular black man versus white man... but when you account the black woman's children/relatives/kid who sees her working... it becomes more efficient.

JM

[Heraclitus]

Possibly instead giving free scholarships to higher education for all african americans/native americans and other mechanisms over AA as currently implemented?

I'd support such a policy. This would help those who can indeed learn how to fish, without damaging meritocracy that much since those who are incapable of completing their studies wouldn't garner any advantage.

And yeah, maybe it is less efficient for the particular black man versus white man... but when you account the black woman's children/relatives/kid who sees her working... it becomes more efficient.

This is an interesting angle. It probably indeed has a positive impact on their lives, perhaps even on their achievements later on. However its less efficient than might seem at first sight.

Professional Black women, when controlling for earning power, have fewer children than professional White women (and that isn't much to start with). The more Black women you promote with AA, the lower the Black birth rate is. So it dosen't change the % of Black children living in families where parents setting a good example as much as it might seem at first glace.

[Pax]

Same can be said of both East and South Asians. Caribbean Blacks who also come from a history of slavery and are foreign to boot also outperform native Blacks (and even average Americans on most relevant metrics) with ease despite the supposed lingering effects of discrimination and injustice. None of these groups needed anti-white discrimination in employment to succeed.

I think that the performance of immigrants in any country has a lot to do with desire. IMHO, an immigrant is probably more of a self starter than a person who stays in his home country. The act of moving too a new country shows that you have more desire than the average person.

[Jon Miller]

Professional Black women, when controlling for earning power, have fewer children than professional White women (and that isn't much to start with). The more Black women you promote with AA, the lower the Black birth rate is. So it dosen't change the % of Black children living in families where parents setting a good example as much as it might seem at first glace.

Or a black child seeing his father working instead of in jail...

It is a serious issue, the expectation (particularly among black men) that the path that black men take is one to jail. There were actually sermons in my church about this.

JM

[Agent Sox]

I don't have the attention span to read this thread right now but are you suggesting democrats are using mind control to make black people vote for them? It's possible considering the CIA was running tests on black people for decades so maybe something was implanted that has sort of cascaded throughout the race. I've never heard that suggested before but its interesting.

[C0ckney]

I don't have the attention span to read this thread right now but are you suggesting democrats are using mind control to make black people vote for them?

yes, this entire thread has been based on this idea.

there was a very heated and informative discussion on page 3 about the the exact nature of these devices. some people said that black people were implanted at birth with democratic stem cells, which would gradually take over the 'politicious' section of the brain. others claimed that their brains were manipulated to respond to certain types of stimuli. someone gave the example of an experiment where a number of black people were made to sit in a room and were played a kayne west track. afterwards they all expressed a desire to run to a polling station and vote for obama right now, even though the election was several months away. when a the same track was played to a group of white people the reactions were mostly things like, 'well it's no country & western' and 'turn down that damn noise'.

[Lorizael]

Ah, but whose page 3? Different forum settings for different folks.

[MrFun]

Actually, this line of questioning about why blacks vote for Democrats most of the time can sound condescending.

As if some of you think that blacks do not know what is best for themselves so we should instruct blacks to vote the way we think they should vote.

[rah]

It's not just blacks. There are many people that vote just like they've always have without even considering the impact on themselves. It doesn't give me the right to tell them how I think they should vote but I can still make fun of them.