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She sent grandma home, so obviously something is up and violence is likely. However, the army is out of the city and Tommen is a wimp, so I have no idea how she expects to win.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
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She sent her home just to insure that he wouldn't take her captive. Of course that's one walk of shame I wouldn't want to see.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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Originally posted by rah View PostShe sent her home just to insure that he wouldn't take her captive. Of course that's one walk of shame I wouldn't want to see.
Rah, have you read the books? Sorry if you refererred to this several times, I do not know right now.
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Now you're on Kid's list as an evil commie liberal fascist white knight fembot.
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Originally posted by rah View PostShe sent her home just to insure that he wouldn't take her captive. Of course that's one walk of shame I wouldn't want to see.One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostBut that was source material from the books. D&D then decided to ditch virtually all the rest of the Dorne plot, write something new of their own, then just kill everyone to end it after it got nearly universally panned. It was a classic butterfly effect where one small change necessitated others and before you know it nothing is remotely similar.Stop Quoting Ben
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Originally posted by Ecthy View PostCould you cut the hostile sexism, please? I know the show is full of it, that's no reason to support it.
where Brienne of Tarth is probably the best fighter in Westeros. She wins vs Sir Loras in that tournement, she stands her ground vs Jaimie Lannister on that bridge, she takes down the Hound 1 on 1, where the 4 men in that inn could not. So far she beat every male 'best fighter' she came accross.
Or where Denaerys could rally all Dothracki tribes behind her where Khal Drogo couldn't?
Or where Meera Reed is the physically and mentally strongest character of the Reed Family. Where she is the 'protector' of the whole Bran expedition in the North? That her physically weaker brother Jojen is now dead?
Or where Asha is the mentally strongest character of the Greyjoy family. She has leadership qualities both as captain of a ship and as leader of the iron islands?
Or where Lady Olenna Tyrell is the true politician head in the Tyrell family?
Or where Maegery Tyrel is probably the smartest person in all Westeros?
Or young Lyanna Mormont (10y old) is the only one to dare to tell Ramsey to f**k himself?
Or a show that has shifted from the war of the 5 kings, to almost the war of the 5 queens (Cersei, Margery, Daenarys, Asha, Ellaria Sand)?
A show that tells us that politically able, influential male leaders (Tywin Lannister, Randyl Tarly, Mad King, Baylon & Euron Greyjoy, Stannis ...) are *******s with no human qualities, but female ones (Olenna Tyrell, Daenarys Targaryen, Asha Greyjoy, ...) have those qualities along with leadership qualities, is sexist?
According to you, which non disabled, living, male leader or champion is portrayed mostly as 'good'?
Sir Davos is not really a leader,
Jaimie Lannister lost a hand,
Tyron is a dwarf,
Varys & Greyworm have no balls,
Ned and Rob Stark are dead.
Raeghar Targaryen is dead.
Baristan Selmy is dead.
The message I get from that show is: if you're not a dwarf, a bastard or a fatty, the only way to be a good guy (and a leader) is : cut your balls, cut your hand or die.
Where is the show *FULL* of sexism?
I don't see the show as particularly male-friendly, honestly.
You really think that show promotes manhood, maleness and shames femininity?
When you watch that show you are proud to be male? Really?The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.
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Rah, have you read the books?It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Originally posted by Dry View PostWhere is the show *FULL* of sexism?Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld
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but it also uses women as sex objects in a way that it doesn't use men.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O
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Originally posted by Lorizael View PostYes, the show depicts women being powerful and independent and sometimes even good, but it also uses women as sex objects in a way that it doesn't use men. The "male gaze" is a definite issue in the show, for all that there are positive depictions of many female characters. Some have also argued that there is a pornographic element to the sexual violence against women in the show (see Sansa) but I don't know that I necessarily agree with that interpretation. There's been uncomfortable sexual violence against men, too (see Theon).
And disagree with the usual feminist view on "sexual objectification" or "male gaze" implied by (mostly female) nudity.
But that is not the topic of this thread, so I'll leave it there.
Thank you for clarifying the arguments of those claiming the show is sexist.The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.
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Originally posted by pchang View PostNot sure what the point was of this episode.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Lorizael View PostYes, the show depicts women being powerful and independent and sometimes even good, but it also uses women as sex objects in a way that it doesn't use men. The "male gaze" is a definite issue in the show, for all that there are positive depictions of many female characters. Some have also argued that there is a pornographic element to the sexual violence against women in the show (see Sansa) but I don't know that I necessarily agree with that interpretation. There's been uncomfortable sexual violence against men, too (see Theon).Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostI see it more of just refecting the social systems of Westeros. Like the middle ages everything isn't fair or neatly inline with modern viewpoints nor does society have the same age of consent. That is why you see pre-teens getting married but we also see a huge amount of that in real history.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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