A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Dinner]

Actual reason for overprotectiveness >>> no really good reason for overprotectiveness (relative to situation of course) in "dumbass" ness.

Cat isn't a dumb ass but she is a royal **** though.

Spoiler:

I'm not just talking about how she treated Jon Snow either. She knows more about seigecraft than her son or her brother, in Riverrun her brother brings in all the peasants including the old and the young to protect them but she knew there wasn't enough food for everyone and it was strategically better to send the peasants who couldn't fight back to their homes, logically they probably would have been better off there as well, but her brother wouldn't hear it. She also was the one who advised Rob on a lot of political stuff which she was right about and he didn't always listen to. Finally, after she's killed and is brought back to half life she really shows a vindictive streak. Zombiness seems to have only made her more mean.

[Guynemer]

Whoah. How are Arya and Bran morons?

Well, they're kids, they're morons in kid ways, such as Arya wasting her death picks.

[DaShi]

Do your parents have HBO or not?

[Hauldren Collider]

Whoah. How are Arya and Bran morons?

[Guynemer]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

Well, they're not wrong, but this is not the best example to use.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actual reason for overprotectiveness >>> no really good reason for overprotectiveness (relative to situation of course) in "dumbass" ness.

[OzzyKP]

I guess one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe the Cat haters (? ) is because I'm not happy how she was portrayed in Season 1. In show, Cat is pleading with Ned not to go, while in the books Cat is the one telling Ned that he's gotta find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Because of this (in the books), Cat has massive guilt over Ned's death and she's dedicated to make sure she's not responsible for any of her other kids dying. It defines her character - because of she feels she caused Ned's death, she becomes very overprotective of the rest.

But if she is seen as a dumbass for making rash decisions because of being overprotective, wouldn't the fact that she is less overprotective in the show make her less of a dumbass?

[Dinner]

I think perhaps the show people are streamlining the book - though its a shame. In the books the woman Robb goes for (Jeyne Westerling) brings up all sorts of fun questions...

Spoiler:

ie, did the Westerlings allow for the marriage of Jeyne to Robb in order to win favor with their Lords, the Lannisters?

Spoiler:

Jeyne Westerling's mother kept giving Jeyne an abortifacient, without Jeyne's knowledge, to make sure she didn't conceive. The parents were very upset about their daughter's choice in spouses but couldn't speak up due to Rob having an army but they did cut a deal with Tywin to insure her safety in exchange for giving her the "moon tea". It's all in the song of ice and fire wiki.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I guess one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe the Cat haters (? ) is because I'm not happy how she was portrayed in Season 1. In show, Cat is pleading with Ned not to go, while in the books Cat is the one telling Ned that he's gotta find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Because of this (in the books), Cat has massive guilt over Ned's death and she's dedicated to make sure she's not responsible for any of her other kids dying. It defines her character - because of she feels she caused Ned's death, she becomes very overprotective of the rest.

[OzzyKP]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

Did they call them morons or morans?

[Imran Siddiqui]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

[OzzyKP]

Which is what I said. In less words.

[Guynemer]

Everything else I've read from non-book readers after the last episode was that Cat is an absolute moron and Robb should just send her home. Whereas in the books (not really a spoiler anymore), the word of Bran and Rickon being "dead" reached the camp, which caused Cat to be in despair that she only had one child aside from Robb alive. Hence her release of Jamie into Brienne's care was more an act of a grieving mother rather than a really stupid gamble.

In the show, it becomes clear that Jaime is unlikely to survive the night (having killed Arnolf Karstark's son in his first attempt to escape, and King Robb is away from the camp at the time), so Cat takes the calculated risk of potentially freeing him for nothing versus the near certainty of his immediate death getting them nothing.

Much, much more understandable in the show. In the book, it is the act of a desperate madwoman. In the show, a shrewd, calculating woman.

[OzzyKP]

<-- has half a brain (I'll make no claims to more then that however):

Eek, lots of stuff going on this week! Will Jaimie survive? (no idea) Are Tyrian & Cersei going to kill Joffrey? (please!) Did Ricon and Bran die? (I doubt it)

Plus, **** going down in Qarth! And Stannis only a few days away!

And like every other episode, I don't give a **** about Jon Snow's plot line.

[kittenOFchaos]

Its the same problem of people with half a brain.

I'll pass you the tissues.