A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Imran Siddiqui]

Robb being stupid is par for the course. They weren't letting him go, because he was expected to come back and serve.

Theon was held as a hostage and stripped of his Iron Islands identity. He was held so his father wouldn't rebel again. It doesn't take a genius to realize that someone who had that sort of history will have some daddy issues and massive resentments deep inside, which will manifest itself if he ever sets foot on his original home again.

[Guynemer]

I fail to see your point. They were letting him go in any respect.

Spoiler:

Also, don't get me wrong, I'm not unsympathetic to Theon's perspective of being a hostage. But, he still betrayed his foster brother's trust, backed the wrong horse, and did not push hard enough for his plan which was both extremely logical and ethical. He then murdered a couple orphans. In the world of Westeros, it is not hard to argue that he deserved punishment for his transgressions; I also should state that his storyline in book 5 is my absolute favorite, and I am rooting very hard for his continued redemption.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well. the Starks WERE okay with him leaving to go back to the Iron Islands. Because they let him leave to go back to the Iron Islands.

To try to get that Greyjoys on Robb's side... not to go and live there.

[Guynemer]

Well. the Starks WERE okay with him leaving to go back to the Iron Islands. Because they let him leave to go back to the Iron Islands.

[Imran Siddiqui]

He wasn't Robb's hostage. He was as a brother to him, and served him of his own free will.

So when Ned died, all the Starks would have been ok with him leaving to go back to the Iron Islands? And, you know, talk about your mega Stockholm Syndrome... the guy was a ward of the Starks since he was a little child.

[Wezil]

He was adopted.

[Guynemer]

I'm not entirely sure that rising up against your captors is really being a traitor. Since we read it from the Stark's POV, that's what it seems like, but Theon was always a hostage.

He wasn't Robb's hostage. He was as a brother to him, and served him of his own free will.

[Guynemer]

In regards to that (book spoilers)

Spoiler:

many have complained that the Theon torture scenes are pointless and take away from the more compelling storylines. However, we only learn of his torture through his inner monologue in Book 5, which would not translate to the screen at all; and these scenes also help to establish Ramsay, who is going to be one of the main, if not THE main, villain of the next few seasons. He is a pure psychopath, and makes Joffrey look like a puppy dog.

x-post, dammit Siddiqui.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Not really supposed to, at this point. He is a traitor and a child-murderer, after all.

I'm not entirely sure that rising up against your captors is really being a traitor. Since we read it from the Stark's POV, that's what it seems like, but Theon was always a hostage.

[Wezil]

It was particularly cruel to get him aroused one last time before bringing the party to an end.

Nice touch.

[Guynemer]

Not really supposed to, at this point. He is a traitor and a child-murderer, after all.

[Wezil]

...one castration...

And I'm still feeling absolutely no sympathy for him.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Spoiler:

I seriously cannot wait until June 2/3rd, after the RW, so I can watch the collective OMG!!!1! WTF?!11 of the non-book interwebs

[Docfeelgood]

Jees! wanting to **** while covered in piss, **** and blood. yep. that's realistic.

[Dinner]

Spoiler:

The castration thing is never directly said in the book. There are bits where the bastard of Bolton tells Theon "you're not even a man" but he never came out and said Theon's balls got cut off plus there was the whole bit about renaming him Reek and making him pretend to be a dog. It was nice to see some T&A work its way back into the show though.