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  • H1N1 and bird flu virus produce dangerous hybrids

    (Reuters) - The H1N1 swine flu virus is compatible with a bird flu virus that is endemic in poultry in Asia and they can produce hybrid viruses packed with greater killing power, Chinese researchers warned on Monday.

    The scientists made 127 hybrid viruses by mixing genes of the H1N1 and the avian H9N2 virus in a laboratory, and eight of the hybrids turned out to be more virulent than either parents when tested in mice.

    The H1N1 pandemic of 2009 turned out to be milder than feared and human infections of H9N2 in China in the past are not known to have caused severe disease. But the experts said their hybrid offspring - or "reassortants" - cannot be casually dismissed.

    "The main message is that the H1N1 can combine in certain ways with the H9N2 to create reassortants and some of the viruses had an increased pathogenicity comparing with the parent viruses in mice," lead author Jinhua Liu, of the College of Veterinary Medicine at the China Agricultural University in Beijing, wrote in an email to Reuters.

    Liu and his colleagues, who published their findings in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, warned in their paper: "The possibility of novel pandemic strains being generated from reassortment between avian H9N2 and H1N1/2009 influenza viruses exists."

    Flu viruses have eight gene segments and one of the segments is called the PA gene. Interestingly, all eight dangerous hybrids carried the PA gene belonging to the H1N1 parent virus.

    The eight hybrid viruses caused severe pneumonia, edema and hemorrhaging in infected mice, the experts wrote.

    Liu said their findings underscored the importance of monitoring hybrid viruses that arise from the H9N2 and H1N1.

    The H9N2 is prevalent in China and large antibody surveys in the past found that between 13.7 percent and 37.2 percent of people sampled had prior infections by the H9N2.

    "We should decrease the chance of infection with the two viruses in a (single) host," Liu wrote in his email.

    Experts believe that a classic way for hybrid viruses to form is when different viruses meet and "marry" inside a single host, swapping genes. Humans and animals, such as pigs, can be efficient "mixing vessels."

    Some scientists believe the pandemics of 1958 and 1968 occurred in such a fashion, killing up to two million and one million people worldwide, respectively.

    SOURCE: bit.ly/eQqHrZ PNAS, online February 28, 2011.
    The scientists made 127 hybrid viruses by mixing genes of the H1N1 and the avian H9N2 virus in a laboratory, and eight of the hybrids turned out to be more virulent than either parents when tested in mice.

    WTF??? Are they fukcing crazy?
    Last edited by Docfeelgood; March 4, 2011, 10:54.

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    My supplements of colloidal silver will keep me safe
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    • #3
      Man playing as a god is going to fukcing kill us all!

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      • #4
        I thought you said you changed.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
          Man playing as a god is going to fukcing kill us all!
          Not all of us, just people who live in Texas.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DaShi View Post
            I thought you said you changed.
            What? you don't see the difference?

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            • #7
              The scientists made 127 hybrid viruses by mixing genes of the H1N1 and the avian H9N2 virus in a laboratory, and eight of the hybrids turned out to be more virulent than either parents when tested in mice.

              Nobody sees the chance for a fatal mistake being made? My concern is why are they even making a lethal combination?
              One lab mistake will cause a outbreak of a lethal strain of flu.

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              • #8
                Or they will find a vaccine that makes most of the H1N1 strain treatable ?
                "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dannubis View Post
                  Or they will find a vaccine that makes most of the H1N1 strain treatable ?
                  Not how it works. think, they cannot find a cure for the common cold.

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                  • #10
                    The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
                    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                      think, they cannot find a cure for the common cold.
                      Who gives a damn about the common cold? How many people does it kill? If they found a cure for the common cold I'd be pissed off that they wasted time and resources on such a pitiful disease.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        Who gives a damn about the common cold? How many people does it kill? If they found a cure for the common cold I'd be pissed off that they wasted time and resources on such a pitiful disease.
                        I thought you were smart?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                          Not how it works. think, they cannot find a cure for the common cold.

                          In a dramatic breakthrough that could affect millions of lives, scientists have been able to show for the first time that the body's immune defences can destroy the common cold virus after it has actually invaded the inner sanctum of a human cell, a feat that was believed until now to be impossible.

                          The discovery opens the door to the development of a new class of antiviral drugs that work by enhancing this natural virus-killing machinery of the cell. Scientists believe the first clinical trials of new drugs based on the findings could begin within two to five years.

                          The researchers said that many other viruses responsible for a range of diseases could also be targeted by the new approach. They include the norovirus, which causes winter vomiting, and rotavirus, which results in severe diarrhoea and kills thousands of children in developing countries.


                          Viruses are still mankind's biggest killers, responsible for twice as many deaths as cancer, essentially because they can get inside cells where they can hide away from the body's immune defences and the powerful antibiotic drugs that have proved invaluable against bacterial infections.

                          However, a study by a team of researchers from the world-famous Laboratory of Molecular Biology in Cambridge has shown that this textbook explanation of the limits of the human immune system is wrong because anti-viral antibodies can in fact enter the cell with the invading virus where they are able to trigger the rapid destruction of the foreign invader.

                          "In any immunology textbook you will read that once a virus makes it into a cell, that is game over because the cell is now infected. At that point there is nothing the immune response can do other than kill that cell," said Leo James, who led the research team.

                          But studies at the Medical Research Council's laboratory have found that the antibodies produced by the immune system, which recognise and attack invading viruses, actually ride piggyback into the inside of a cell with the invading virus.

                          Once inside the cell, the presence of the antibody is recognised by a naturally occurring protein in the cell called TRIM21 which in turn activates a powerful virus-crushing machinery that can eliminate the virus within two hours – long before it has the chance to hijack the cell to start making its own viral proteins. "This is the last opportunity a cell gets because after that it gets infected and there is nothing else the body can do but kill the cell," Dr James said.

                          "The antibody is attached to the virus and when the virus gets sucked inside the cell, the antibody stays attached, there is nothing in that process to make the antibody to fall off.

                          "The great thing about it is that there shouldn't be anything attached to antibodies in the cell, so that anything that is attached to the antibody is recognised as foreign and destroyed."

                          In the past, it was thought that the antibodies of the immune system worked entirely outside the cells, in the blood and other extra-cellular fluids of the body. Now scientists realise that there is another layer of defence inside the cells where it might be possible to enhance the natural anti-virus machinery of the body.

                          "The beauty of it is that for every infection event, for every time a virus enters a cell, it is also an opportunity for the antibody in the cells to take the virus out," Dr James said.

                          "That is the key concept that is different from how we think about immunity. At the moment we think of professional immune cells such as T-cells [white blood cells] that patrol the body and if they find anything they kill it.

                          "This system is more like an ambush because the virus has to go into the cell at some point and every time they do this, this immune mechanism has a chance of taking it out," he explained.

                          "It's certainly a very fast process. We've shown that once it enters the cell it gets degraded within an hour or two hours, that's very fast," he added.

                          The study, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, involved human cells cultured in the laboratory and will need to be replicated by further research on animals before the first clinical trials with humans.

                          One possibility is that the protein TRIM21 could be used in a nasal spray to combat the many types of viruses that cause the common cold. "The kind of viruses that are susceptible to this are the rhinoviruses, which cause the common cold, noravirus, which causes winter vomiting, rotavirus, which cause gastroenteritis. In this country these are the kind of viruses that people are most likely to be exposed to," Dr James said.

                          "This is a way of boosting all the antibodies you'd be naturally making against the virus. The advantage is that you can use that one drug against potentially lots of viral infections."

                          "We can think of administering these drugs as nasal sprays and inhalers rather than taking pills... It could lead to an effective treatment for the common cold," he said. "The beauty of this system is that you give the virus no chance to make its own proteins to fight back. It is a way for the cell to get rid of the virus and stay alive itself."

                          Sir Greg Winter, deputy director of the MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, said: "Antibodies are formidable molecular war machines; it now appears that they can continue to attack viruses within cells. This research is not only a leap in our understanding of how and where antibodies work, but more generally in our understanding of immunity and infection."

                          How the virus is tackled

                          * 1 Virus (purple) circulating in the bloodstream recognised by antibodies (yellow) of the immune system

                          * 2 Virus attaches to outer cell membrane with antibodies still attached

                          * 3 Virus invades the cell membrane and emerges inside the cell

                          * 4 Remains of cell membrane disappear and the virus is free to hijack the cell

                          * 5 TRIM21 protein (blue) recognises attached antibodies as foreign material

                          * 6 Powerful virus-destroying machines (cylinders) attracted to virus by TRIM21

                          * 7 Virus rapidly broken down and disabled within hours
                          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-cure-for-the-common-cold-may-finally-be-achieved-as-a-result-of-a-remarkable-discovery-in-a-cambridge-laboratory-2122607.html
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
                            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/a-cure-for-the-common-cold-may-finally-be-achieved-as-a-result-of-a-remarkable-discovery-in-a-cambridge-laboratory-2122607.html
                            Interesting, thanks for the info.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Docfeelgood View Post
                              I thought you were smart?
                              I thought you were a dumbass? And then you confirmed it with yet another flu thread.
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