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  • #76
    Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
    For a commie you and I agree more frequently than not.
    On a side note, if I was a commie to the Newsmaxians, I wonder what they're calling President Obama right now...
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #77
      Don't worry Imran, to us Europeans you're still an extreme right religious nutcase.
      Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
      Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
      We've got both kinds

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
        On a side note, if I was a commie to the Newsmaxians, I wonder what they're calling President Obama right now...
        anti-christ
        "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

        “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe View Post
          True but as an example when Bush admitted that he had reservations about McCain-Fiengold being constitutional and decided to punt the issue to the supreme court instead rather than veto it, this smacks of abrogation of constitutional responsibilities and the localized interpretation one would expect from a given branch of govermentment. Each branch should be tasked with detemining constitutionality and pose that as one of the fundamental issues as part of the process. The checks and balances are defeated if merely allowing to have SCOTUS decide everything.
          Again I agree.

          We are faced with a real dilemma though on a truly "constitutional" issue that requires a solution. How do we deal with a law that the President now deems to be unconstitutional while (presumably) Congress deems it to be constitutional? The obvious 'tie breaker' are the Supremes. For me, this particular question avoids the nonsense of judicial review that has existed since Marbury.
          We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
          If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
          Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
            Again I agree.

            We are faced with a real dilemma though on a truly "constitutional" issue that requires a solution. How do we deal with a law that the President now deems to be unconstitutional while (presumably) Congress deems it to be constitutional? The obvious 'tie breaker' are the Supremes. For me, this particular question avoids the nonsense of judicial review that has existed since Marbury.
            As was originally thought with gay marriage advocates and DOMA, someone with standing will have to advance it to the Supremes. Until then it wil hang in limbo, as no one will have the passion on the issue to raise this to the point of impeachment proceedings. In fact I would strongly doubt that anyone will be bothered to raise the specter of defunding DOJ over this loser issue. No passion around the issue. Ranks near dead last.
            "Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson

            “In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter

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            • #81
              Originally posted by MikeH View Post
              Don't worry Imran, to us Europeans you're still an extreme right religious nutcase.
              But, but... I'm against the death penalty and for universal health care! Can't I be a non-extreme right religious nutcase?
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #82
                But, but... I'm against the death penalty and for universal health care!
                Skip the anti death penalty bit and you could almost be Nixon reincarnated (despite his manifest failings, a surprisingly radical figure with regard to welfare, health care and the protection of the environment).
                Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

                ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  But, but... I'm against the death penalty and for universal health care! Can't I be a non-extreme right religious nutcase?
                  You communist!
                  Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                  Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                  We've got both kinds

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                  • #84
                    I can't win
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      He actually said that he will continue to enforce it but that if the courts strike it down, which seems likely, he will not appeal the decision.
                      The one person who got it right.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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