Wisconsin Takes A Stand For Fiscal Sanity

[giblets]

How is breaking quorum worse? It's harder to do because you have to actually leave the state. We would have less filibustering if the senators had to go to Canada.

[Hauldren Collider]

How is breaking quorum worse? It's harder to do because you have to actually leave the state. We would have less filibustering if the senators had to go to Canada.

It's worse because it shuts down the entire legislature in addition to being plainly undemocratic. Filibusters, as they are used in practice, only mean that you need 60 votes to pass legislation instead of 50, which provides a nice check on the majority. That check on the majority is fairly unimportant in state governments, where gridlock is unnecessary to prevent things like dictatorships. The federal government provides that check.

[giblets]

I don't see how it's "undemocratic" for the majority party to not get 100% of what it wants. Just because someone is in the minority doesn't mean their voice should become irrelevant.

[Boris Godunov]

So you're saying that in a budget crisis, it's fundamentally fair that unions, and especially public sector unions, retain special privileges and lower costs? Do you think it's fundamentally fair that they do so, while at the same time continue to not be held accountable for their lack of performance (ie, teachers)?

There was no budget crisis in Wisconsin until Walker came along and dished out tax cuts to big business. He's using the very problem he created as justification for screwing over working people.

[Boris Godunov]

Obama is ****ed 6 ways from Sunday in 2012. I mean, I could probably beat him in a general election. Palin probably couldn't, but she is ****ing crazier than ****. Any other legitimate Republican candidate would own his nuts, at least as things stand now.

Reagan began 1983 with a 35% approval rating.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

Obama's approval ratings are well in line with other presidents who went on to win reelection easily. It's simply stupid to rely on approval ratings this far ahead of an election as an indicator of how it will turn out. Ask Bush Sr.

[giblets]

There was no budget crisis in Wisconsin until Walker came along and dished out tax cuts to big business. He's using the very problem he created as justification for screwing over working people.

Of course he's blaming the problem he caused on unions. Why would Republicans take personal responsibility?

[Boris Godunov]

Apparently not. One senator can defy several hundred thousand people in the people's republic of Madistan.

Actually, this is how it is in the U.S. Senate, where a single Senator can use a "Secret Hold" to stall almost any legislation he wants.

If you're going to whine about convoluted systems of arcane procedural rules thwarting progress, no state legislature holds a candle to Congress.

[KrazyHorse]

Are you suggesting that people with similar interests don't have a right to stand together?

[giblets]

Ohio Poll: Plurality say Brown & Obama deserve re-election

Like it or not, Ohio is probably a must-win for the Republicans.

The people at Intrade thinks Obama has a 60% chance

[Supr49er]

Pwn Wisconsin. Recall Walker.

[DinoDoc]

I'm sorry Donegal but the fact your union can extort dues from non-members kills whatever sympathy I might have had for you.

[MRT144]

Obama is ****ed 6 ways from Sunday in 2012. I mean, I could probably beat him in a general election. Palin probably couldn't, but she is ****ing crazier than ****. Any other legitimate Republican candidate would own his nuts, at least as things stand now.

Care to put money on that? Obama +300 electoral votes?

[DinoDoc]

It seems as if Walker is on solid political ground.

[giblets]

It seems as if Walker is on solid political ground.

How does a national survey establish that a governor is on solid ground?

[Kuciwalker]

Are you suggesting that people with similar interests don't have a right to stand together?

I take it you are opposed to all anti-trust laws?