So why am I not depressed?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Only in your interpretation of the meanings.

Stubborn implies not only intractable obstinance but also dogged determination. Multiple meanings despite your intent.

In your previous writing it would indicate that perserverance was tranformed into stubborness. For that to be so there would have to be an implied external(or internal monologue I suppose) force that Alby was resististing and being stubborn against. (I realize you meant to say that he was resisting the face of reality, fate as it were.) However that not being explicitly said, the immediate interpretation in that context would lend itself to the second meaning of the word that of dogged determination.

/pedantic

[The Mad Monk]

At some point perseverance turns to stubbornness.

The difference is purely perception: in this case, success vs. failure.

[DaShi]

Only in your interpretation of the meanings.

Stubborn implies not only intractable obstinance but also dogged determination.

Maybe to you. There's a reason we have the word perseverance. It is not a synonym for stubborn.

Quick question: Do you have any education at all? You pull a lot of bull**** out that is patently wrong claiming it as fact.


BTW, the rest of your post was pure nonsense. Good job!

[Wezil]

Only in your interpretation of the meanings.

Stubborn implies not only intractable obstinance but also dogged determination. Multiple meanings despite your intent.

In your previous writing it would indicate that perserverance was tranformed into stubborness. For that to be so there would have to be an implied external(or internal monologue I suppose) force that Alby was resististing and being stubborn against. (I realize you meant to say that he was resisting the face of reality, fate as it were.) However that not being explicitly said, the immediate interpretation in that context would lend itself to the second meaning of the word that of dogged determination.

/pedantic

Um, no.

[Wezil]

The difference is purely perception: in this case, success vs. failure.

There is more to it than that. Time is also relevant.

I don't know where the line is but I know it is there. If 20 years from now Albie is still trying to get into the Marines I doubt any sane person would be congratulating him.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Maybe to you. There's a reason we have the word perseverance. It is not a synonym for stubborn.

Do you enjoy being perpetually wrong?

stubborn - 3 dictionary results

—Synonyms
... 2. persevering. Stubborn, dogged, obstinate, persistent imply fixity of purpose or condition and resistance to change. Stubborn and obstinate both imply resistance to advice, entreaty, remonstrance, or force; but stubborn implies more of innate quality and is the more frequently used when referring to inanimate things: stubborn disposition; stubborn difficulties. Dogged implies pertinacity and grimness in doing something, esp. in the face of discouragements: dogged determination. Persistent implies having staying or lasting qualities, resoluteness, and perseverance: persistent questioning

[Wezil]

I guess you could consider Albie an inanimate object.

Seems to fit. I concede.

[Al B. Sure!]

I wouldn't call 'disposition' or 'difficulties' inanimate objects. Those were the examples given of inanimate THINGS

[Wezil]

I think it is silly to argue "stubborn" is a positive trait.

[Wezil]

Definitions of stubborn on the Web:

* tenaciously unwilling or marked by tenacious unwillingness to yield
* refractory: not responding to treatment; "a stubborn infection"; "a refractory case of acne"; "stubborn rust stains"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* refusing to move or change one's opinion; obstinate
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stubborn

* stubbornly - in a stubborn unregenerate manner; "she remained stubbornly in the same position"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* stubbornness - the trait of being difficult to handle or overcome
* stubbornness - resolute adherence to your own ideas or desires
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* stubbornness - The state of being stubborn
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stubbornness

* not giving in to arguments or requests
springcove.schoolnet.com/outreach/martinsburg/teachers/tshoemaker/vocab/week1

* stubbornness - One of the seven chief features, or stumbling blocks. Its positive pole is determination; its negative pole is obstinacy. It is a fear of change. Read more about stubbornness.
www.michaelteachings.com/glossary.html

[The Mad Monk]

There is more to it than that. Time is also relevant.

I don't know where the line is but I know it is there. If 20 years from now Albie is still trying to get into the Marines I doubt any sane person would be congratulating him.

Time is relevant, but only in determining the degree of success or failure. "20 years from now" is probably indicative of great failure, and it would be painted as such, even before he finally gave up, or was forced to give up.

Let's say, for argument, that he succeeds, after 20 years. He would be hailed as someone who followed his dream and succeeded against all odds, a hero to those who follow their dreams. It is the stuff of PBS specials.

[Wezil]

Time is relevant, but only in determining the degree of success or failure. "20 years from now" is probably indicative of great failure, and it would be painted as such, even before he finally gave up, or was forced to give up.

I guess the signs on the mileposts would play a part as well. Continuing on despite obvious indications it is unrealistic would be more stubborn than persevering.

Let's say, for argument, that he succeeds, after 20 years. He would be hailed as someone who followed his dream and succeeded against all odds, a hero to those who follow their dreams. It is the stuff of PBS specials.

True.

[Provost Harrison]

You are fat and ugly and Britsh. I win.

I'm definitely British...

[The Mad Monk]

...Q.E.D.

[Elok]

...in twenty years? Do the U.S. Marines accept men in their forties?