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  • #31
    Well you're right there's no free speech in Switzerland, at least:



    A prominent Turkish politician was convicted Friday of breaching Swiss antiracism laws by saying that the early 20th-century killing of Armenians could not be described as genocide.

    The Turkish Foreign Ministry reacted swiftly to the decision, saying in a statement that it was saddened by the Swiss court’s ruling to punish the politician, Dogu Perincek, leader of the Turkish Workers’ Party, and to ignore “his freedom of expression.”

    Mr. Perincek was ordered to pay a fine of $2,450; an additional penalty of $7,360 was suspended.

    He was charged with breaking Swiss law by denying during a visit to Switzerland in 2005 that the World War I era killings of up to 1.5 million Armenians amounted to genocide. He has since repeated his statements, including at his trial this week.

    In Turkey it is a crime to use the word genocide to describe the killings.

    Mr. Perincek accused the judge of “racist hatred” toward Turkey and said he would appeal the verdict to Switzerland’s supreme court.

    If necessary, Mr. Perincek told Turkey’s government-run Anatolia news agency, he would take his case to the European Court of Human Rights.

    In his closing statement, Judge Pierre-Henri Winzap described the defendant as an intelligent and cultivated person but added that to deny the Armenian genocide was an arrogant provocation because it was an accepted historical fact. Most Western governments consider the killings genocide.

    Switzerland’s antiracism legislation has previously been applied to Holocaust denial.

    The case has caused diplomatic tension between Switzerland and Turkey, which insists that Armenians were killed in civil unrest during the tumultuous collapse of the Ottoman Empire and not in a planned campaign of genocide.

    In its response to the verdict the Turkish Foreign Ministry called into question the legitimacy of the Swiss law and said the case was “inappropriate, baseless and debatable in every circumstance.”
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    • #32
      Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
      Well you're right there's no free speech in Switzerland, at least:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/wo...e/10swiss.html
      Thats disgusting.

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      • #33
        Hera, you're forgetting the other thing that this BERBER Zemmour said which is cause for the concern:

        At first, on France Ô, the facilitator who combines the positions Figaro , RTL, France 2 and i-TV said that employers "have the right" to refuse to employ Arabs or Blacks. For that, he was accused of "incitement to discrimination" .
        It is interesting that a Berber would say that.
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        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dr Strangelove View Post
          All right! The NRA speaks out at last!
          We always take the side of freedom.
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
            Well you're right there's no free speech in Switzerland, at least:

            http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/wo...e/10swiss.html
            I think saying 'no free speech' when they have a speech restriction that the US doesn't have is exaggerating.

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            • #36
              While the man appears to be a racist troglodyte POS, it's not the government's place to gag him or change how he thinks.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                I think saying 'no free speech' when they have a speech restriction that the US doesn't have is exaggerating.
                The man was fined thousands of dollars for expressing an opinion. I disagree with his opinion, but the man should be free to express it without the threat of prosecution.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Felch View Post
                  The man was fined thousands of dollars for expressing an opinion. I disagree with his opinion, but the man should be free to express it without the threat of prosecution.
                  It really is shocking, considering how many guns the Swiss have.

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                  • #39
                    HA HA HA IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE FELCH LIKES GUNS!
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                    • #40
                      The amount of freedom a country has is a function of the number of guns held by civilians. Switzerland must be an anomaly because apparently they have no free speech.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                        Hera, you're forgetting the other thing that this BERBER Zemmour said which is cause for the concern:

                        It is interesting that a Berber would say that.
                        I dont find it suprising. There are many prominent European figures of immigrant backround which critize their own communites for their failings, some of them are quite nonPC.

                        However this case is slightly different since his parents where Berber Jews, and he attended a Jewish high school. In any case I didn't think it was relevant.
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • #42
                          LOL a looking at the list of his political positions I'm not sure I'm not just his DL here:

                          Anti-liberalism

                          Zemmour considers himself Gaullist and Bonapartist, and places himself in a profoundly anti-liberal (economically and socially) portion of the French right. He also considers himself to be a reactionary, in that he believes his views to be a reaction to a society that dismantles the social order, especially family and tradition, in the pursuit of a false goal: liberating the individual, who only finds himself isolated and reduced to the status of consumer. He reserves subversiveness for the right-wing, arguing that the progressives now dominant in French culture and media can no longer claim to be critics of the established order since they have become the established order.[5]

                          Zemmour's anti-liberalism also causes him to oppose European federalism.[6] He considers Europe to be profoundly liberal and out of step with the French social order. He also believes that within a European community, the political right and left are forced to advocate "the same economic policy, social liberalism or liberal socialism",[7] since, in the words of Philippe Séguin, "right and left are outlets of the same wholesaler, Europe."[8]

                          Anti-human rightsism

                          Zemmour regularly takes positions that he describes as "anti-human rightsism", placing him in opposition to many politicians (including Bernard Kouchner), intellectuals (including Bernard-Henri Lévy), and organizations advocating humanitarian intervention, which Zemmour considers to be a form of neo-colonialism.[citation needed] On the 12th of September 2009 during the TV show On n'est pas couché, Zemmour had an argument with Samuel Benchetrit about re-considering the pros and the cons of death penalty by stating that, with its abolition in France, it has created a disproportion in the hierarchy of major crimes. While presenting his arguments, Zemmour angered Samuel Benchetrit who apparently was against this form of punishment.[9]

                          Immigration

                          Zemmour is an advocate of traditional French assimilationism, and is staunchly opposed to "mass" immigration brought on by family reunification and to the current process of integrating immigrants which he considers too lenient towards them. He has frequently declared that he is in favour of assimilation, even if this makes him "neurotic". He is also in favour of the Thierry Mariani amendment, which would require people wishing to immigrate to France on the basis of family reunification to prove their relationship via DNA testing.[10] He is frequently criticized for his pronouncements on immigration and his attacks on certain organizations (including SOS Racisme).[11] He recently claimed that the majority of drug dealers in France are of African or Arab descent. With France's legal ban on ethnic statistics, this statement cannot be verified. The International League against Racism and Anti-Semitism announced a few days later that it would seek legal action against him.[12]

                          Anti-feminism

                          In Le Premier sexe, Zemmour accuses modern feminists of wanting to "castrate" men, and charges their movement with bringing negative consequences upon society (including the loss of the notion of authority). Declaring that the role of fathers is very different from that of mothers, he has alienated, besides feminists, men disputing his vision (including actor Francis Huster). Zemmour accuses these opponents of being demagogues obsessed with political correctness and ignoring the history of French society and misunderstanding of Sigmund Freud's works. Others, including author Franz-Olivier Giesbert, have lauded his views.[13] He supports the patriarchy view
                          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                            I dont find it suprising. There are many prominent European figures of immigrant backround which critize their own communites for their failings, some of them are quite nonPC.

                            However this case is slightly different since his parents where Berber Jews, and he attended a Jewish high school. In any case I didn't think it was relevant.
                            Not relevant? His comments about employers discriminating against hiring Blacks and Arabs?

                            We have laws in the US against employment discrimination
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
                              Not relevant?
                              I don't see why his ethnicity is relevant, but if you disagree fine.
                              Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                              The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                              The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                              • #45
                                I thought you meant the stuff about employment discrimination that you left out in your op was what you considered not relevant.

                                and at this self-hating Berber Jew
                                "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                                "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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