House Votes for Repeal of Health Law in Symbolic Act

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I find it amusing that the calls are for folks to understand government and for government to do such things as create jobs, when the chief function of government is to act as a policing force on society. Thus having little to no positive impact of job creation save for its lightest of footprints to ensure order.

[MrFun]

Yeah, what's pissing me off is that the Republicans, as I feared, might keep the parts of the law that actually cost money.

I want some parts of the health care bill repealed or revamped, but we need to keep the provision that requires coverage for those who have preexisting conditions.

[DaShi]

I find it amusing that the calls are for folks to understand government and for government to do such things as create jobs, when the chief function of government is to act as a policing force on society. Thus having little to no positive impact of job creation save for its lightest of footprints to ensure order.

How wholly ignorant.

[giblets]

I find it amusing that the calls are for folks to understand government and for government to do such things as create jobs, when the chief function of government is to act as a policing force on society. Thus having little to no positive impact of job creation save for its lightest of footprints to ensure order.

I think there's a connection between jobs and ensuring order

[BlackCat]

I think you are both right, describes US political spectrum quite well

Fortunatedly, it's only two parties, the rest of the american parties are quite sane, so that isn't really a problem

[OneFootInTheGrave]

yes, luckily the parties to the right of republicans are where the hope and change lie.

[Hauldren Collider]

I want some parts of the health care bill repealed or revamped, but we need to keep the provision that requires coverage for those who have preexisting conditions.

[DaShi]

Damn those people with preexisting conditions not paying their share.

[Hauldren Collider]

Damn those people with preexisting conditions not paying their share.

Pre-existing conditions are why you need to get insurance. If you could just get insurance as soon as you get sick, all the insurance companies would go out of business. It's basically free money.

[Hauldren Collider]

Look, MrFun's statement basically reads "I have a few issues with ObamaCare, but I want them to keep all the parts that involve other people handing me wads of cash. I like those parts, they are important."

[giblets]

If MrFun doesn't have a problem with fining people who don't get insurance then I don't see anything wrong with his stance.

[DaShi]

Pre-existing conditions are why you need to get insurance. If you could just get insurance as soon as you get sick, all the insurance companies would go out of business. It's basically free money.

But people shouldn't be excluded for pre-existing conditions.

[Hauldren Collider]

If MrFun doesn't have a problem with fining people who don't get insurance then I don't see anything wrong with his stance.

That fine is paltry compared to the cost of the insurance. It doesn't even matter whether the individual mandate is constitutional or not, it simply is not going to be enough to keep people from free-riding.

Also, ObamaCare aims to do something magical, and by magical I mean impossible: Increase coverage and reduce costs without rationing care. To make matters worse it bans some of the most important practices in the insurance industry, practices people think are "evil" or "unfair" because they feel as though buying insurance means that the insurance companies should just print money for them. Practices such as requiring insurance companies to treat mental disorders and physical disorders in exactly the same way, or illegalizing high co-pays and lifetime limits.

The bill is likely to bankrupt or otherwise eliminate almost all private insurance in America, at which point I'm sure the Democrats won't mind saying "Oh well, looks like we better implement European-style single payer!" Now if you think this is great and that makes the healthcare law fine and dandy, well first of all: **** you, and second: that means you still think the law is bad and the only reason it's good is because it shoehorns in a system that you like and most Americans hate.

The law is fundamentally two things: A giant price control on insurance plans, and a giant wage control on employers. I retain the hope that you aren't foolish enough to believe that price and wage controls do anything good.

But people shouldn't be excluded for pre-existing conditions.

And why not? Insurance companies are not charities.

If you want to cut costs, reduce medicare and medicaid coverage. Throw in vouchers so that people don't become hypochondriacs when they hit retirement age. Less demand means lower prices. And the young, poor and healthy no longer have to pay for the old, rich and sick.

[BlackCat]

And the young, poor and healthy

What about the young, poor and sick ?

"Sorry, sir but your child need surgery - what is your credit card number ? Don't have one, well, here is a telephone number to a reasonable cheap caretaker"

"That broken appendix we can easily fix for 10.000 - oh, you aren't insured - next patient!"

[giblets]

That fine is paltry compared to the cost of the insurance. It doesn't even matter whether the individual mandate is constitutional or not, it simply is not going to be enough to keep people from free-riding.

Source please, no offense but I'm not going to take your word for it

Also, ObamaCare aims to do something magical, and by magical I mean impossible: Increase coverage and reduce costs without rationing care. To make matters worse it bans some of the most important practices in the insurance industry, practices people think are "evil" or "unfair" because they feel as though buying insurance means that the insurance companies should just print money for them. Practices such as requiring insurance companies to treat mental disorders and physical disorders in exactly the same way, or illegalizing high co-pays and lifetime limits.

The bill is likely to bankrupt or otherwise eliminate almost all private insurance in America, at which point I'm sure the Democrats won't mind saying "Oh well, looks like we better implement European-style single payer!" Now if you think this is great and that makes the healthcare law fine and dandy, well first of all: **** you, and second: that means you still think the law is bad and the only reason it's good is because it shoehorns in a system that you like and most Americans hate.

Wow, this may be Obama's greatest accomplishment so far

The law is fundamentally two things: A giant price control on insurance plans, and a giant wage control on employers. I retain the hope that you aren't foolish enough to believe that price and wage controls do anything good.

And why not? Insurance companies are not charities.

If you want to cut costs, reduce medicare and medicaid coverage. Throw in vouchers so that people don't become hypochondriacs when they hit retirement age. Less demand means lower prices. And the young, poor and healthy no longer have to pay for the old, rich and sick.

If you want to cut costs, leave the poor and elderly to their fate. Apparently HC only believes that life is paramount if it's a fetus and he won't have to pay the price for keeping it alive

Characterizing senior citizens as "hypochondriacs". Very classy.