They killed rock-n-roll

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes because that's all rap is... guns, bling, *****es, and hoes

Just like rock is all suicidal devil worshipping ****.

[giblets]

Yes because that's all rap is... guns, bling, *****es, and hoes

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Asher]

Far as I'm concerned, Rock is thriving right now. Mostly Alt-Rock. There's an insane amount of great new alt-rock coming out that I love.

[Provost Harrison]

Yes because that's all rap is... guns, bling, *****es, and hoes

Just like rock is all suicidal devil worshipping ****.

Well I probably forgot a few more things, pvssy, niggas, etc...the list was never intended to be exhaustive...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

spice girls

[C0ckney]

yay an interesting thread at last. a few brief comments.

singles sales are meaningless in this day and age.

jorney are ****ing ****.

rock music is not dying, every year there are countless quality bands and albums appearing. last year was a very good year IMHO and i see no reason why next year won't be the same.

it's no surprise to see the usual american small minded attitudes to dance music.

shut up albert.

This has sort-of been my view since Sugar released Copper Blue in 1992.

However, most of the writers of the American stuff I loved from that era were in turned influenced by British music from previous eras. There had been a 'special relationship' of ideas and styles going back-and-forth over the Atlantic for decades. Although I've always said over the last 20-odd years that US > UK for indie/alt rock I think it has more to do in many respects with the industry rather than the bands. I've seen countless excellent bands playing in small London venues who would never get a chance with the industry while dross gets picked up and promoted, often because of nepotism.

i agree with the special relationship part. US and UK bands borrow from each other all the time. for example there's a load of bands coming out of the states now (and in fact for some time now) who sound like they could have been playing some shoegaze night in the late 80s.

i disagree about the US being better for alternative music than the UK. i mean if husker du and the pixies are the test then yeah, but i view it a bit differently than that. actually i'm not sure i'd like to say that one is better than the other, for every alt rock/indie from the US that i love, i can think of about 3 or 4 from the UK, but that's maybe because i've been exposed to more UK music.

[MrFun]

Can I have permission to find a way to kill rap?

[dannubis]

only if you make it suffer.

[DinoDoc]

That would imply killing it the same way Rock died. Including it on a gay themed musical TV show.

[Provost Harrison]

shut up albert.

This.

[Al B. Sure!]

Can I have permission to find a way to kill rap?

Wouldn't expect you to stoop to racism, MrFun.

What do I mean? Because all these criticisms of rap are completely unfounded. If anyone actually listened to the genre, they would know that rap isn't all *****es and bling and cop killing and whatever else is being spoon-fed to you by stupid racists. Just like any other genre of music, lyrical content can vary and there are stupid rappers who rap about stupid things (see almost everything AAHZ listens to). However, that doesn't mean that all rap is like that nor that much rap is like that. That approach to rap is synonymous to characterizing all rock music as satanic because of Marilyn Manson or whoever (Manson may not be very satanic, I realize, but I know more of his reputation than actual music so insert someone more fitting here otherwise).

I know rap. I know that this idea that rap is nothing but *****es and guns is complete bull****. I've posted multitudes of songs that prove otherwise. So your criticisms are either founded in complete ignorance or, frankly, a continuation of the long-standing racist denigrations of every form of music that has originated within the African American community, be it blues, jazz, rock and roll, or rap.

I can provide the names of some popular artists that should be checked out by anyone who holds such ignorant beliefs and is open-minded enough to be willing to admit that they are wrong. Please take advantage of this learning experience and you will come away with a new appreciation of at least the lyrical content of rap.

[N35t0r]

Wouldn't expect you to stoop to racism, MrFun.

So rap is a race now?

[Al B. Sure!]

So rap is a race now?

Because you missed it...


Wouldn't expect you to stoop to racism, MrFun.

What do I mean? Because all these criticisms of rap are completely unfounded. If anyone actually listened to the genre, they would know that rap isn't all *****es and bling and cop killing and whatever else is being spoon-fed to you by stupid racists. Just like any other genre of music, lyrical content can vary and there are stupid rappers who rap about stupid things (see almost everything AAHZ listens to). However, that doesn't mean that all rap is like that nor that much rap is like that. That approach to rap is synonymous to characterizing all rock music as satanic because of Marilyn Manson or whoever (Manson may not be very satanic, I realize, but I know more of his reputation than actual music so insert someone more fitting here otherwise).

I know rap. I know that this idea that rap is nothing but *****es and guns is complete bull****. I've posted multitudes of songs that prove otherwise. So your criticisms are either founded in complete ignorance or, frankly, a continuation of the long-standing racist denigrations of every form of music that has originated within the African American community, be it blues, jazz, rock and roll, or rap.

I can provide the names of some popular artists that should be checked out by anyone who holds such ignorant beliefs and is open-minded enough to be willing to admit that they are wrong. Please take advantage of this learning experience and you will come away with a new appreciation of at least the lyrical content of rap.

[Felch]

Corporate rap is trifling bull****.

[Al B. Sure!]

Corporate rap is trifling bull****.

What is corporate rap? Talib Kweli and Big Boi from Outkast do Pepsi Max commercials, Common (and Jannelle Monae) did GAP commercials, Mos Def did car commercials, Nas and AZ did Sprite commercials, Grand Puba from Brand Nubian did as well, Rakim was/is the spokesperson for Hennessey, Busta Rhymes promoted Mountain Dew, Jay-Z IS corporate, etc. What's more corporate than doing commercials but all these artists (except Monae) are upper echelon of respect in the hip hop community and are the tenured elites.

That distinction between sell-outs and 'real talent' doesn't exist in Hip Hop. Nearly all of the rap community doesn't look down upon those with major record deals, the heavy haterific underground heads aside. There is a respect for the hustle and the fact that Common is dancing around and rapping in a GAP commercial doesn't diminish that man who made "Resurrection", "One Day It'll All Make Sense", and "Like Water for Chocolate".

Honestly, why should it?

And for that matter, does Mos Def co-starring in movies like Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy or Be Kind Rewind diminish his music? Is Will Smith not a pioneer in Hip Hop because he was on a popular sit-com and has done dozens of movies?

What is 'corporate' rap?

Outkast has the best selling rap album of all time. How much does their popularity diminish their value?