Religion: Real or Fake

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well put, Jon.

[Lorizael]

I haven't seen anything ugly, mean, nasty in physics.

You don't think the Second Law of Thermodynamics is ugly, mean, or nasty? It's the source of all our problems.

[Docfeelgood]

I haven't seen anything ugly, mean, nasty in physics.

It is arguable in biology. But many people don't see anything ugly, mean or nasty there either.

It definitely exists in humanity, and in how we treat eachother.

But that is the central problem that Christianity deals with.

JM

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[Jon Miller]

You don't think the Second Law of Thermodynamics is ugly, mean, or nasty? It's the source of all our problems.

I don't know what you are referring to.

Definitely nothing in science.

And I am heavily annoyed (and not interested in talking about) about misapplications of science (which people have done with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or relativity).

JM

[giblets]

I don't you think understand just how unlikely this is.

The rejection of this idea is the core of scientific thought since Copernicus.

The mediocrity principle is the notion in philosophy of science that there is nothing special about humans or the Earth. It is a Copernican principle, used either as a heuristic about Earth's position or as a philosophical statement about the place of humanity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediocrity_principle

JM

I don't see any reason to think that any two planets are identical in every way. The question is what properties of Earth brought about life and whether these properties are general enough to make life a common phenomenon in the universe. But attempting to assign a probability to the universe being a certain way seems silly because there's an endless number of possible ways a universe could be "created".

[Docfeelgood]

I don't know what you are referring to.

Definitely nothing in science.

And I am heavily annoyed (and not interested in talking about) about misapplications of science (which people have done with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or relativity).

JM

Does this have anything to do with Star Trek?

[Lorizael]

I don't know what you are referring to.

Definitely nothing in science.

And I am heavily annoyed (and not interested in talking about) about misapplications of science (which people have done with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or relativity).

JM

I'm not really being serious, but with no second law, we'd be able to have perpetual motion machines. And with perpetual motion machines, I can't imagine a need for conflict.

[N35t0r]

Without second law, there'd be no universe-as-we-know-it

[OneFootInTheGrave]

So after 330 posts I think we've established the people that are religious believe it's real and the people that don't think it's fake. Wow.

No, we concluded that because we are, God is, and if you do not think that way, you are all unreasonable heretics

[Docfeelgood]

No, we concluded that because we are, God is, and if you do not think that way, you are all unreasonable heretics

[Jon Miller]

I don't see any reason to think that any two planets are identical in every way. The question is what properties of Earth brought about life and whether these properties are general enough to make life a common phenomenon in the universe. But attempting to assign a probability to the universe being a certain way seems silly because there's an endless number of possible ways a universe could be "created".

You obviously have no concept of statistics and science.

I can't imagine a scientist who would still not believe in a Creator if only planets just exactly like the earth could develop life and earth was the only such planet in the history of the universe.

JM

[giblets]

You obviously have no concept of statistics and science.

JM

What were the chances of having a universe where Jon Miller would say this on January 14th, 2011? Probably not very high, ergo God exists!

[giblets]

Someone should explain the "I think it would be unlikely for a universe to have some arbitrary property, therefore having said property proves my deity" argument to me.

[Jon Miller]

What were the chances of having a universe where Jon Miller would say this on January 14th, 2011? Probably not very high, ergo God exists!

If life existed, then it would be much much much much more probable than only one planet in the entire history of the universe developing life.

JM

[Kidlicious]

The ability to reason is hard wired in us. It is what caused humanity to survive even though we didn't evolve with claws or fur.

Something is hard wired (or maybe not exactly) within us that inables us to survive and reproduce. We can call that something reason, but then there's the question of whether or not it is exactly what we think it is. Is it a force for good? I don't think it is just because it helps us survive and reproduce.