Religion: Real or Fake

[rah]

You see no difference between the story about Hank and the Spaghetti monster and the faith in God?

No. they are both equally implausible to me.

I also think that you used trust as just a substitution for faith.

I still stand that if you have 0% proof, it's still blind faith.

And I surprised that you're using you wife as an example because it's obvious that you knew her before you got married. That's not 0% proof. Now if you hated her guts prior, I might except that you had 0% proof that she would make you happy. But since you didn't hate her, I have to believe that the % of proof was higher than 0.

Again, you have not presented any real proof that god exists. I have no problem if you believe in your heart, but it's still based on 0% proof. I would love to be proven wrong here, but in all these threads no one has offered anything that I can consider truth, especially kid who seems to support that faith itself is the proof.

I'll even admit that I have blind faith that the god you imagine does not exist. I have no proof that he doesn't so my belief of that is blind. I'm ok with that.

[N35t0r]

You see no difference between the story about Hank and the Spaghetti monster and the faith in God?

No. they are both equally implausible to me.

I also think that you used trust as just a substitution for faith.

I still stand that if you have 0% proof, it's still blind faith.

And I surprised that you're using you wife as an example because it's obvious that you knew her before you got married. That's not 0% proof. Now if you hated her guts prior, I might except that you had 0% proof that she would make you happy. But since you didn't hate her, I have to believe that the % of proof was higher than 0.

Again, you have not presented any real proof that god exists. I have no problem if you believe in your heart, but it's still based on 0% proof. I would love to be proven wrong here, but in all these threads no one has offered anything that I can consider truth, especially kid who seems to support that faith itself is the proof.

I'll even admit that I have blind faith that the god you imagine does not exist. I have no proof that he doesn't so my belief of that is blind. I'm ok with that.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I have said many times that I think the general feelings, themes in the new testament, love, forgiveness, equality are very good ones. It's a shame organised religion can't follow them. And that so many Christians still look at things in the Old Testament that Jesus told them to ignore.

Organized religion is made up of humans . Though there can be extraordinary things done in the walls of organized religion! For all the junk that happens at the top levels of the Roman Catholic Church, at the ground level, individual pastors and nuns and whatnot, there are multitude of examples of people giving almost all they have to improve the lot of those worse off, because of their belief that God is pleased by such work. Yes, the wacky Christians get the press, but there are far more Christians who deny themselves to help those less fortunate because they are called by God to do so.

Oh, and Happy Epiphany, y'all!

[rah]

Yes, thanks Imran, you are correct and we sometimes need to be reminded of that.

[Kidlicious]

I have said many times that I think the general feelings, themes in the new testament, love, forgiveness, equality are very good ones. It's a shame organised religion can't follow them. And that so many Christians still look at things in the Old Testament that Jesus told them to ignore.

You nut. Jesus quoted the OT.

[Kidlicious]

It's a great way of getting people to conform to rules before you've invented police forces, or more importantly before you have developed sufficiently to have enough spare manpower to afford police forces.

So maybe religion is an evolutionary advantage. Hence why it's still so popular, even though it's been obsoleted.

Why do atheists follow the rules then?

[MOBIUS]

Woohoo, Son of Ben is here!

[N35t0r]

Why do atheists follow the rules then?

Each of us has his own reason.

[rah]

Why do atheists follow the rules then?

Gee, I sure hope you're not implying that you have to be religious to follow a moral code.

[Lorizael]

He most certainly is.

[rah]

I refuse to believe he's that big of an idiot. But then I've been wrong before.

[N35t0r]

He's been arguing just that on the quebec thread.

[Lorizael]

I said atheists aren't moral, as they do not believe in morality.

[rah]

And here, I thought it would be tough to make Ben look enlightened.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

where are the comments by the OP?