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You don't have to give if you don't want to. And the red cross and other charities ask for donations, it isn't only churches.
So, no, most churches (Mormon maybe not) you are not paying for a service.
So we should take away tax exempt status for habitat for humanity too? I mean, I am sure that there are people out there who don't think that others need homes built for them. How about we remove the tax exempt status for red cross too.
There is nothing other than your own value judgement of religious services which make you want to remove tax exempt status for religious organizations and not habitat for humanity or red cross.
How about we either not have such things as tax exempt organizations, or have tax exempt organizations but allow you to pick which ones you think are providing good services by which ones you give to rather than by removing tax exempt status by your own biases and preferences? Just because you don't value religious services doesn't mean that others do not.
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I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostNo, for an actual charity, the people receiving the service are not the donors. The donors actually help someone else instead of using the money to give themselves a fancy building to use.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostNo, for an actual charity, the people receiving the service are not the donors. The donors actually help someone else instead of using the money to give themselves a fancy building to use.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostNo, for an actual charity, the people receiving the service are not the donors. The donors actually help someone else instead of using the money to give themselves a fancy building to use."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Religion is a business. If IBM donates to charity that donation can be tax free. No one is arguing IBM should be entirely tax free due to some charity work done."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostSure, but how often do people actually go to church with giving any money?
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Wezil View PostReligion is a business. If IBM donates to charity that donation can be tax free. No one is arguing IBM should be entirely tax free due to some charity work done.
*Ignoring Scientology and maybe Mormons*
And you arguing that because some donors to a church gets benefit from it means that it isn't charitable is the same sort of reasoning that says that because some donors to the red cross get benefit from ti means it isn't charitable. In otherwords, biased irrationality.
Most churches have a fairly high percentage that goes to paying for pastors, hospital workers, care givers, teachers, missionaries, building costs, disaster relief efforts, orphanages, and so on. These are all charitable efforts.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostYou don't have to give if you don't want to. And the red cross and other charities ask for donations, it isn't only churches.
So, no, most churches (Mormon maybe not) you are not paying for a service.
So we should take away tax exempt status for habitat for humanity too? I mean, I am sure that there are people out there who don't think that others need homes built for them. How about we remove the tax exempt status for red cross too.
There is nothing other than your own value judgement of religious services which make you want to remove tax exempt status for religious organizations and not habitat for humanity or red cross.
How about we either not have such things as tax exempt organizations, or have tax exempt organizations but allow you to pick which ones you think are providing good services by which ones you give to rather than by removing tax exempt status by your own biases and preferences? Just because you don't value religious services doesn't mean that others do not.
JM
ACK!Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!
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Originally posted by gribbler View PostIf they want a tax deduction for charitable activities, that's fine...
should only charitable activities have a deduction. what about the money that other charities spend on administrative activities or building maintenance, for example."The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View PostHow is religion a business when it doesn't require money for services or membership?
Where are Habitat's cathedrals?"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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Originally posted by C0ckney View Postthen you run into the grey areas which jon alluded to earlier.
should only charitable activities have a deduction. what about the money that other charities spend on administrative activities or building maintenance, for example."I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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