Gay men disgusted by lesbian sex

[Kidlicious]

One reason might be because it's easier to portray men as predators then women. So they try to make it look like the evil black men are taking advantage of the poor defenseless white women.

Bull****. It's because it threatens their fantasy about themselves as superior. It's the same reason why they have to put up intelligence graphs.

[Imran Siddiqui]

You're ****ing Pakistani-American, Imran. You're no more Asian than I am.

Apparently you've failed Geography as well. I'm not surprised.

[SlowwHand]

Pakistan is in South Asia. So much for the ignorant Texan myth.

[Elok]

Depends how you look at it. "Asian" is our new word for "Oriental," which referred specifically to persons of a more easterly persuasion than Pakistan. We need a more specific PC term.

[Heraclitus]

Bull****. It's because it threatens their fantasy about themselves as superior. It's the same reason why they have to put up intelligence graphs.

Are you seriusly saying that this kind of dynamic exists only with White men and Black men? What about Asian guy's complaints about White men and Asian women? Or Black women complaints about Black men and White women?

Part of feelings like Albies being is at least today "they're stealing our women/men/ponies" and the reason behind the feeling being strong is if a particular cross ethnic or racial pairing is very common (no one is complaining about Eskimo women and Indian men) or at least presented as very common in the media.

Another thing is classism. Upper class women marrying lower class men is (or at least was) scandalous than compared to upper class men having lower class mistresses beacuse of the different expectations of male and female sexuality.

Another part is a quiet worry about demographic displacement since children generally tend to adopt the fathers identity a bit more often than the females. Israelis are extra bothered by Jewish women and Arab men.

I'm certain there are people like you describe but I'm feeling this doesn't explain most of the opposition at least today.


Also what kind of idiot supremacist would not recognize that there are people superior to him personally (in nearly any way he can think of) or other available men of his ethnicity in every racial group? And since you are making a stab at me, what kind of feeling of superiority could I possibly get by admitting groups like Germans, Askenazi Jews, Japanese and Chinese have higher IQs than my people?

[Kidlicious]

Are you seriusly saying that this kind of dynamic exists only with White men and Black men? What about Asian guy's complaints about White men and Asian women?

No, but what's your point. Asian men who think that asian women shouldn't date outside their own race are also racist (sexist as well) in my book.

Or Black women complaints about Black men and White women?

That's different in my book, because members of dominated races should stick together. That's how asians achieve success. If black men were more loyal to their race, their race would have more success.

Part of feelings like Albies being is at least today "they're stealing our women/men/ponies" and the reason behind the feeling being strong is if a particular cross ethnic or racial pairing is very common (no one is complaining about Eskimo women and Indian men) or at least presented as very common in the media.

So what? Why is it so important to you that your race dominates another race?

Another thing is classism. Upper class women marrying lower class men is (or at least was) scandalous than compared to upper class men having lower class mistresses beacuse of the different expectations of male and female sexuality.

I don't know if that's right or not.

Another part is a quiet worry about demographic displacement since children generally tend to adopt the fathers identity a bit more often than the females. Israelis are extra bothered by Jewish women and Arab men?

Again, why do you care so much?

I'm certain there are people like you describe but I'm feeling this doesn't explain most of the opposition at least today.

This is the way it is bud. You are overly concerned about your race's ability to dominate other races. That's as obvious as the nose on your face.

Also what kind of idiot supremacist would not recognize that there are people superior to him personally (in nearly any way he can think of) or other available men of his ethnicity in every racial group? And since you are making a stab at me, what kind of feeling of superiority could I possibly get by admitting groups like Germans, Askenazi Jews, Japanese and Chinese have higher IQs than my people?

So this isn't about you personally at all, just about your race? So why is your race so important? What is so good about it?

[Heraclitus]

This is the way it is bud. You are overly concerned about your race's ability to dominate other races. That's as obvious as the nose on your face.

You do recall I didn't condemn miscegenation right? And I didn't speak badly of White women that choose Black men right, that was Alby.

Also I'm Slovenian, my people never dominated anyone and they still don't since racially we are basically for at least a few more years, mostly a homogenus country. However in a multiracial state some groups always dominate others and there is always resentment and strife that can only be kept in check by state repression. Whether the causes are historical, cultural or genetic is irrelevant, the differences have been so far shown resistant to some pretty expensive and invasive government policies.

That's different in my book, because members of dominated races should stick together. That's how asians achieve success. If black men were more loyal to their race, their race would have more success.

But if one must live in a multiracial state what is wrong with behaving like every other group does (sticking together?) especially if you are projected to soon end up a minority (and no for example in the US of 2040 regular Whites won't be the wealthiest racial group, East Asians and perhaps Hindu Indians will beat them just like they beat them today, if someone considers his tribe to be Christian Anglo Whites, they are beat by Jews too). By what measure you seem to assign Whites perpetual dominance and thus perpetual additional limitations on behaviour I can't quite see.

So this isn't about you personally at all, just about your race? So why is your race so important? What is so good about it?

What is so good about your relatives or offspring? There are smarter, more appreciative and beautiful children than junior, kinder more capable parents than your mother and dad, yet you still prefer those to others even when you wish others no ill will.

And even if you put your child up for adoption and only met him years later as an adult, would you not prefer them to some other random adult you don't know?

BTW A bit off topic, I would like to point out that race even if stripped completely of any sentimental value has application in medicine (organ donations, targeted treatments, ect.), forensics (bones do tell you what race someone was), genetic studies (sure euphemisms are sometimes used but who exactly doesn't see for example what SubSaharan African Conitnental Ancestry Population means?) and many other fields.

I used to think of this in terms of pure genetic interest (as an atheist), but I've softened my stance considerably since then. I think that while God doesn't a priori condemn groupings such as family, clan, tribe, ethnicity, nation or race their acceptability or desirability is conditional on their effects on well-being and morality (my current sig is I think somewhat relevant).

If I tough my kind of ethnic conciousness was bad for humanity as a whole or made me act in immoral ways I would abandon it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Apparently you've failed Geography as well. I'm not surprised.

Really? Why do you act like this? You obviously know what is meant. You are not East Asian. You are racially distinct from Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, etc.

This umbrella term of 'Asian' with those of the Indian sub-continent being Asian is really bizarre because Indians are clearly racially and culturally distinct from the East Asians.

And where do the indigenous peoples of the continent of Asia stop being 'Asian', using your definition? Are Afghans Asian? Persians? Arabs? Turks? Armenians? Russians? Are Tunisian-Americans African-Americans?

[Riesstiu IV]

You can be really stupid at times.

[Heraclitus]

You can be really stupid at times.

From the context it should have been obvious he was talking about the large racial group that has its origins in East Asia.

However his current argument is silly since Asian in itself now insufficient. Are Afrikaaners not African by that logic? What about Libyans or Algerians? I mean they clearly aren't black right.

[Kidlicious]

You do recall I didn't condemn miscegenation right? And I didn't speak badly of White woman that choose Black men right, that was Alby.

Also I'm Slovenian, my people never dominated anyone and they still don't since racially we are basically for at least a few more years, mostly a homogenus country. However in a multiracial state some groups always dominate others and there is always resentment and strife that can only be kept in check by state repression. Whether the causes are historical, cultural or genetic is irrelevant, the differences have been so far shown resistant to some pretty expensive and invasive government policies.

Dude, you're unbelievable. Racial strife isn't natural. It's people like you that cause it. I'm not going to discuss it with you, cause you're just a bigot that's full of it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Heraclitus has often said things like ethnic tribal identities are very important... a Slovenian in need is more deserving of his aid than a Black person in need for no other reason that 'tribal loyalty', as if tribal loyalty is something that actual exists and isn't a man-made concept.

He says he wants a white homeland and stuff like that, as well.

[Heraclitus]

Dude, you're unbelievable. Racial strife isn't natural. It's people like you that cause it. I'm not going to discuss it with you, cause you're just a bigot that's full of it.

And people like me are unnatural? What was a man with no tribal loyalties thought of in the vast majority of human history?

One. Give me one counterexample where different ethnic groups coexisted for centuries completely without strife. You are nothing more than a apologist of imperialism, ideological or otherwise, a man who would feel comfortable in the Metternich's police state, his prison house of nations under Austrain and Hungarian rule, if it was in service of the values and letter of the US constitution rather than the Habsurgs.
I believe a people have a radical right to self-determination. A man has a right to decide with whom he associates, and a people may thus form if they choose and create a state to serve their will, the will of the people, with unlimited sovereignty.

[Heraclitus]

Heraclitus has often said things like ethnic tribal identities are very important... a Slovenian in need is more deserving of his aid than a Black person in need for no other reason that 'tribal loyalty', as if tribal loyalty is something that

All else being equal yes. For the same exact reason that all else being equal I should help my child avoid starvation rather than a completely unrelated one. Its a horrible horrible thing any child has to starve but if I must choose I assert the right to choose my own.

You yourself have beliefs that can easily be made to sound crazy, you consider diversity a magical property of Blacks and Hispanics. A school that is 70% Black and 30% White is diverse, but a school that is 30% Asian, 30% White and 30% other isn't diverse if Blacks don't make up at a arbitrary percentage.

He says he wants a white homeland and stuff like that, as well.

Liberia being a constitutionally guaranteed homeland for and I quote "negroes" (only people with Black ancestry can be citizens and untill recently only people with Black ancestry could own property) is therefore evil and beyond the pale in your view?

[DaShi]

Poor Hera. It must be difficult to be so cripplingly stupid.