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[Kidlicious]

I think you need to read the Gospel again Hera. Think about who Jesus was and what kind of world he lived in, and he said, "love your enemy."

[Heraclitus]

You called me an imperialist. If I were one that would be sin.

Christians are not free of sin.

Then why are you calling people imperialists who oppose you?

I don't call everyone who opposes me imperialist. I perhaps misjudged you but I got a vibe from you that you would feel it justified for the US to use force to enact regime change in say Iran or some other country that isn't part of the US fold of democracy and "liberty" or its overall moral or civc outlook even if they threatened no one.

That's because you think what you are doing is innocent, but it's not. You can't even judge Hitler because you are guilty of similar sin. To do so, is hypocracy.

REALLY??? A reminder to yourself? Why not use a post it and put it on your computer screen?

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You probably think that because people tend to impose their own image on God and not the reverse. When you choose to follow christ you must leave your entire life behind you, including your previous belief system. That's the cost of discipleship.

That's because you think what you are doing is innocent, but it's not. You can't even judge Hitler because you are guilty of similar sin. To do so, is hypocracy.

I'm pretty sure Hitler had a few more sins on his conscience than me. At least that's what I tell myself every night. The horror, I think people have the right not to accept everyone, I mean people might choose wrongly right? Imagine the idea of people being able to freely associate, the outrage!

But to be serious, my argument is that sure there would be some racial segregation, but would there really be that much more? Look at US residence data, the current system allows rich people the hypocrisy of living in racially homogeneous areas (sometimes there are East Asians and Indians, but NAMs are Albys and many other people's definition of diversity) while looking down on "rednecks" and "white trash" who live with dysfunctional diversity (btw I'm not implying there isn't functional diversity I'm just saying that the poor seldom see the benefits of it but often bare the costs). In any case racist people are by default disadvantaged in the modern economy, so in a free market they pay a opportunity cost for their "bad" habit. I see nothing wrong with them living speartly if they so choose.

Even if it is a sin, does a Christian have the right to use violence to stop a sin that would cause "harm" only to them? I mean sure if anyone goes lynching or harassing or the like or hiring unfairly on behalf of a company they don't own, lock them up or sue them, that's what law and order are for, but otherwise shouldn't you let God judge them?

REALLY??? A reminder to yourself? Why not use a post it and put it on your computer screen?

Do you really think poly is a place where one gets friends or good points for being religiously inclined? The reason its there is because Apolyton in particular has a bad influence on me and I need to have it there in my face for every post I make. Also I think its a good quote urging for solidarity and compassion to all fellow believers and among humans in general.

You probably think that because people tend to impose their own image on God and not the reverse. When you choose to follow christ you must leave your entire life behind you, including your previous belief system. That's the cost of discipleship.

I can wrap my head around open borders, just barley but God demands a high price on human sensibilities if he looks as kindly or even more kindly on a man who has enough to feed one and chooses to feed another child and leave his daughter hungry than the man who provides for his daughter but doesn't feed another. BTW I'm not claiming this is the same as taking care of others in your tribe/clan/whatever I specifically said elderly parents and children.

Also I'm not going to go and criticize you too much for failing standards I don't live up to by a far shot but I hope you remember that being Christian isn't about just being nice, there are some unpopular and even unPC things that Christianity demands. Its hard to read the bible and not for example consider homosexuality a sin, sure one can downplay it to a minor sin sort of consistently and the like, but even in the new testament relations between for example men are frowned upon. But some modern Churches don't even bother to call it a sin and still claim to be Christian. Also giving away all your possessions and taking to heart that one can't worship mamon and God at the same time is also something I don't see Christians doing en masse. Animal rights also make no sense in a Christian world view (there are strong reasons to treat them well and never abuse them but this is something completely different than implying animals have rights or sometimes even more value than humans).

[Heraclitus]

I think you need to read the Gospel again Hera. Think about who Jesus was and what kind of world he lived in, and he said, "love your enemy."

He also said he was here to bring the sword. He said that families and communities would be torn apart between those who would follow him and those who would not. He also was disgusted by the moneylenders in the temple.

What would Jesus think of the megachurch preachers getting rich peddling what they pass as his word? What would Jesus think of some of the more oddball "interpretations" that are more wholesale rewritings (both fundamnetalist and ultraliberal)?

I think that by modern standards he would be pretty damn intolerant of them.


However in most other aspects you are right on this.

[Heraclitus]

Overall I think most people here don't quite understand my relationship with Christianity since I've veered somewhat away from Atheism. In my heart I want it to be true but my mind while it can sees a lot of merit in many things just doesn't feel like this is *the* best way, I suppose this is hubris in trusting your own feeble mind over God's word, but the problem is in that very first step. I can only be completely certain in God's word and presence via subjective experiences of the heart and soul, and while the process is a healing one overall I just am not there yet and fear I never will be.

[Kidlicious]

He also said he was here to bring the sword. He said that families and communities would be torn apart between those who would follow him and those who would not.

His use of the word sword is a metaphor for conflict. Yes, the gospel brings conflict because it is radical. Whenever the gospel is not considered radical there is no conflict and christians are not doing what they are suppose to do.

He certainly is not saying that christians should kill people or hate people, if that's what you are insinuating.

He also was disgusted by the moneylenders in the temple.

He did indeed rebuke their conduct. However, when Jesus displayed anger it was to make a point. Hypocracy is the worse sin because hypocrats never look at their own sin, instead they look at everyone elses. He was always making the point that you should look at your own sins (no matter how small you may think they are) and forgive EVERYONE for ALL of their sins.

Some people do in fact go to hell, because they do not turn away from their sins. They do not choose to follow Jesus because the cost is too high. Jesus never follows after them (see the young rich ruler). He always allows them to make their own choice.

What would Jesus think of the megachurch preachers getting rich peddling what they pass as his word? What would Jesus think of some of the more oddball "interpretations" that are more wholesale rewritings (both fundamnetalist and ultraliberal)?

I think that by modern standards he would be pretty damn intolerant of them.

As a Methodist I accept other denominations as brothers and sisters in Christ even though they have different beliefs and practices. As long as they believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the savior of the world we accept them. That said, I'm disappointed by most christians, and I believe that Jesus is as well. I think if people really believed what they say they believe the world would be a much different place.

[Kidlicious]

Overall I think most people here don't quite understand my relationship with Christianity since I've veered somewhat away from Atheism. In my heart I want it to be true but my mind while it can sees a lot of merit in many things just doesn't feel like this is *the* best way, I suppose this is hubris in trusting your own feeble mind over God's word, but the problem is in that very first step. I can only be completely certain in God's word and presence via subjective experiences of the heart and soul, and while the process is a healing one overall I just am not there yet and fear I never will be.

If God has started a good thing with you, you can be sure that he will see it through to the end.