Germany never changes... German leader says multiculturalism has failed.

[Barnabas]

Diversity is not the problem, I dont think most of you would have had a problem living in Trieste 100 years ago and living among Italians, Austrians, Croats, and people from all over mitteleuropa

The problem is diversity with muslims, I live in a neighbourhood that is highly jewish-korean-bolivian with standard argentines being a minority and I kinda like it actually.

[Barnabas]

I agree that Americans should try to break the link between its huge mexican-american and mexicans who stayed in Mexico. I would not deport anyone but I would build the wall Bush wanted and put the military in the fronteer.
English or German are better for creating neologisms, but Spanish isn't more terrible than any other Romance language like Italian or French, unless you mean the way it sounds.

[DriXnaK]

I think what it all really comes down to is the use of the welfare state and socialism in Europe and the US (i.e. people coming to the country and leaching) and then basically muslims. I can't think of a single group of people that just doesn't fit in with the West like Muslims. You look at all the asians that have come to the US and where are all the problems at? Even the south Americans and Mexicans that come here legally (notice the distinction here) for the most part work hard and assimilate. It really all comes down to Islam and it's a global problem. Muslims will never be compatible with the west unless some radical reform comes and right now they are moving in the opposite direction. The rest of the world should oblige them and take the steps necessary to contain their spread.

[Kitschum]

What, currently 4.5% of the US population is Asian. Almost every major city in the US has a CHINA town where all the old traditions have been kept. Many of their residents never assimilated.
So saying that the US hasn't experienced the same thing is just plain silly.

I've been to Chinatown in New York. It is a couple of streets with Chinese shops. I passed it once unwittingly because it looks almost exactly like the surrounding streets. Amsterdam also has a Chinatown. I walked what seemed like all over that town but I still had no idea until I read about it, because it is so small. For sure Chinatowns may be an interesting phenomenon but I doubt any more than a tiny proportion of each country's "Chinese" population live in them. And in times when the proportion was larger you did have many of the classic anti-immigration attitudes in relation to them as well.

Anyway times have clearly changed for the Chinese American population. They are now a successful minority and yellow peril no more but for other American minorities attitudes, and problems, remain and have remained for much longer.

That's my point. I think it shows we're more tolerant.

Right I've run into this absurd opinion before. It seems to be a common attitude especially among so-called "Liberal" Americans which makes me wonder if they are just clinging to it in order to maintain some pro-America cred...

This is what American "tolerance" looks like:

[Dinner]

I also certainly agree that no country needs more people living off of welfare as they are just a burden to both the state and the honest tax paying people. My honest suggestion is to copy the US and say all immigrants, even legal immigrants, are restricted from being on welfare for a 10 year period starting when they come to the country. That way as long as someone wants to come there and work then they are welcome but if they want to come there and just suck up welfare then they find no one wants them there nor will help them.

[Dinner]

Kitch, the US certainly has a lock'em up and throw away the key attitude towards criminals but I don't see how that is a bad thing other then understanding that it costs a lot to keep criminals in jail. The basic fact is the more multicultural a society is the more people demand criminals get locked up and no exceptions be made. It's a do the crime then do the time attitude. If one doesn't commit crimes then they are very unlikely to end up in prison but if they do commit crimes then they'll likely be in prison for a very long time.

[DriXnaK]

Why would we be tolerant of crime? It is a sign of a weak and declining people when they no longer have the will to punish those guilty of crimes.

[laurentius]

So, nobody is calling me a nazi or a racist? Damn this place has really changed.

[Dinner]

Why would we be tolerant of crime? It is a sign of a weak and declining people when they no longer have the will to punish those guilty of crimes.

I have to disagree. It is a sign that people are fed up with crime and don't want criminals among them.

[Dinner]

So, nobody is calling me a nazi or a racist? Damn this place has really changed.

They're all pussies. I even start threads just to bait them sometimes but apathy now rules this place.

[DriXnaK]

? I have no idea how you came up with that reply to what I just said.

[Dinner]

Oh, I misread. Either way disagreeing with you is usually a sign of sanity so old habits die hard.

[Kitschum]

Oerdin: Granted, it's not immediately relatable to immigration but I interpreted the statement of tolerance more widely.

Really what sense is there in a ethnically diverse democracy like the United States having incarceration rates 4-7 times that of other diverse democracies like Brazil, Britain, France and Canada?

Drixnak: How do you account for the rapid rise as shown in this chart? Was Reagan's America just such a weak and declining nation compared to Obama's America?

[laurentius]

Why would we be tolerant of crime? It is a sign of a weak and declining people when they no longer have the will to punish those guilty of crimes.

Dont go down the Finnish road of mild punishments. Heres couple of example from last week;

Case a) A roma murdered 3 people he just met in a Mcdonalds drive-in after a verbal exchange, guy gets 15 years. Thats 5 years per each in this triple murder with hand gun. Cheap lives.

Case b) A roma breaks into the National cathedral for the Orthodox believers. Steals a huge golden icon with hudreds of thousands of euros worth of jewelry donated by individual believers over the decades. Gets caught after he tries to break in again. Icon or the jewelry is lost for ever, guy gets to spend 3 years in a Finnish hotel with all amenities such as playstations(jail). He stole from the Cathedral, how honourable.

Case c) In the first week of this year a Kosovo Albanian massacres 4 supermarket clerks and tortures his Finnish ex-gf to death by for example gauging her eyes out just because she got him a restraining order. The Coward then kills himself before the police find him. Hopefully going straight to hell.

These are by far the most notorious crimes here for the past year.

Makes you wonder.

Edit: The Albanian **** had received numerous restraining orders from his ex-gf for years who had been trying to hide from this psychotic stalker. The authorities failed to give explanation why he had not been deported before.

[Kitschum]

This chart goes more directly to the point of immigration tolerance and shows neatly that Americans are not any more tolerant than the average European. Although I guess you can still lecture the Brits on the basis of this.



From Transatlantic Trends here:

http://www.gmfus.org/trends/immigration/index.html