Germany never changes... German leader says multiculturalism has failed.

[MOBIUS]

Although I guess you can still lecture the Brits on the basis of this.

That's because Labour spent the last 13 years turning the UK into an immigrant welfare hotel with by far the most generous 'package' in all of Europe - all they have to do to get on the gravy train is just get here!

Why else would an 'asylum seeker' land somewhere like the safety of Greece or Spain in the EU and travel thousands more miles just to get to the UK?

[MikeH]

Wow, you get more Daily Mail by the day.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

what power does to people

[BeBMan]

Who gave Moby power

[MOBIUS]

Wow, you get more Daily Mail by the day.

It's a simple fact. Why continue on once you have reached say, Greece or Spain?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

% of immigrants as total population in Greece - 8.6%
% of immigrants as total population in UK - 8.9%

a lot more indeed as a Daily Mail reader you should be furious

[MikeH]

Exactly. Thanks.

[MikeH]

And it's 12% in Spain BTW.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

of that I bet 6% are British

[BeBMan]

I bet at least 9 out of 10 don't want a Fuehrer

[Jon Miller]

About 13% of people in the US are immigrants, not sure if that counts illegal immigrants properly.

JM

[MikeH]

Thusly the "we get more immigrants because we're so generous" Daily Mail myth was disproven and MOBIUS wert defeated.

[MOBIUS]

I didn't say we have more immigrants, I just say we get loads travelling across the length of Europe just to get to the UK. To defeat me, you have to prove that our welfare system is not more generous than the likes of Greece and Spain, and that people aren't expressly travelling across Europe for that reason, for example.

Plus we also need to properly define what an immigrant is. As OFinG alluded to, a large proportion of the Spanish immigrants are probably northern European sunseekers and I would guess it's a similar case in Greece too. I'm talking about economic migrants posing as asylum seekers coming to our country to leach off our already too generous welfare system...

[Kitschum]

The same report I got the other chart from had this one. It goes to show that overestimating the immigrant population is common across countries. One source of confusion might simply be that the foreign-born statistic doesn't cover born in the UK with non-British ancestry (etc.) In other words it's not quite the same as "how many darkies are there".

[BeBMan]

Facts