Every Jew and Christian is going to hell.

[Robert]

So how can any of us think we're going to be saved/going to heaven? None of us here follow all the passages in the Old Testament. Jesus Christ himself said that he was not here on this Earth to take away the old laws (could be understood as Old Testament).

He did not 'take it away' but fulfilled them completely. Making him being the only one to ever live up to it.
Despite that he did so, he wanted to take the doom of the thora, and died.
That made a new way to become righteous, not by living up to the thora / the perfect live, but by having faith that Jesus already did in our place.

Christianity is not about living up to moral standards to achieve a goal.

[-Jrabbit]

Very reminiscent of a great scene from The West Wing.

[MrFun]

Christianity is not about living up to moral standards to achieve a goal.

So then you and I agree then, that Christian fundies are ****ed up in their use of the Bible.

[MrFun]

Very reminiscent of a great scene from The West Wing.

Yeah, I know what scene you're talking about. If I knew which episode that is in, I wonder if it's somewhere on YouTube?

[duke o' york]

That's redundant! You don't need to use the word "gay" with "homosexual!"

As a man who is very keen on teh sexay times with women and not in the least with men, does that qualify me as a gay homosexual?

[Martin Gühmann]

He did not 'take it away' but fulfilled them completely.

This completely is a big statement. So first, what are all the things in the old testament that needs to be fulfilled by whatever. Then, how could all the things be fulfilled. Once we have that we can check the new testament and check when, where, and how Jesus fulfilled them. My prediction is if we made in advance clear what we expect, we will find no instance when Jesus fulfilled anything.

Making him being the only one to ever live up to it.
Despite that he did so, he wanted to take the doom of the thora, and died.
That made a new way to become righteous, not by living up to the thora / the perfect live, but by having faith that Jesus already did in our place.

So far I see a guy that was talking some nonsense. Some people did not like this nonsense, because it contradicted their nonsense, they were talking. And so nailed that guy to a stick or whatever.

I am sorry, but so far I cannot distinguish it from nonsense.

Christianity is not about living up to moral standards to achieve a goal.

I guess, Mr Ratzinger and his pedo-cult agree. In fact, I don't care so much what Christianity is about, we are living in a secular world. So I expect that all people here live to our moral standards and not to some Christian standards, as we have seen them in the opening post. And not to Catholic standards like covering Pedophiles.

-Martin

[MrFun]

You're a straight heterosexual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DaShi]

Because no Jew or Christian today follows the Old Testament rules.

"I would like to sell my daughter into slavery as OK'd in Exodus 21:7. What would be a fair price?"

"Leviticus 25:44 states that I can own slaves provided I buy them from neighboring countries. A friend claims this applies only to Mexicans, not Canadians. Why can't I own Canadians?"

"I have a neighbor who works on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 states that he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?"

"In Lev 21:18 - 23, God clearly states that a person cannot approach the altar if he is a dwarf or a hunchback, is blind or lame, has eczema, crushed testicles, or scabs, or who has a defect in his eye. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20-20 or is there some wiggle room?"

"I know from Lev 11:6 - 8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but can I play football if I wear gloves?"

"My uncle has a farm and violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blends). He also curses and blasphemes a lot. Do we have to go to the trouble of getting our whole congregation to stone them? (Lev 24:10 - 16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair the way we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev 20:14)"

I guess I'm the only one who's going to heaven.

[Al B. Sure!]

I'm pretty sure they don't usually make footballs out of pig bladders anymore. Pretty sure it's been rubber for decades now.

And whatever you Christians say, MrFun's point still stands for the Jews. Well, not about Hell but about absurd biblical laws.

[Elok]

I just noticed the HC quote in MrFun's sig. Wow, you, uh, really missed the point of what he said there. Congratulations.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And whatever you Christians say, MrFun's point still stands for the Jews. Well, not about Hell but about absurd biblical laws.

Haw Haw, Mr Fun is wrong on both! Christians are saved by grace, not by the law and Jews don't have a Hell (at least not an eternal torment Hell - the closest thing is a Purgatory like gehenna).

[Al B. Sure!]

Haw Haw, Mr Fun is wrong on both! Christians are saved by grace, not by the law and Jews don't have a Hell (at least not an eternal torment Hell - the closest thing is a Purgatory like gehenna).

Imran, I said not about Hell but about absurd biblical laws.

You know, stuff like this:

"Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee." -- Leviticus 19:19

Or how about the stuff that you get the death penalty for like:

Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. -Exodus 31:14

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death. -Leviticus 24:16

But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:

21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. -Deuteronomy 22:20-21

[giblets]

It's pretty amazing that a lot of people in the 21st century think those laws were of divine origin.

[Hauldren Collider]

I just noticed the HC quote in MrFun's sig. Wow, you, uh, really missed the point of what he said there. Congratulations.

No kidding.

Two observations MrFun:
1. There's a reason they call it a political spectrum
2. Small government vs. large government is purely a debate over to what extent government imposes viewpoints, and what kinds of viewpoints it should impose. Why don't you try to imagine a government that doesn't force anyone to do anything that they don't want to do.

[MrFun]

So toward the ideal of a non-interfering government, we should repeal the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments because those amendments forced other people to do things they did not want to do (give up their slaves, enfranchise blacks to vote, desegregate facilities, etc . . . .)