Recent Suicides of Gay Teenagers and Speaking Out

[Hauldren Collider]

This is demonstrably false. Just recently, people have provided facts, graphs, and figures which show republicans racking up far, far more debt over the past 50 years.

Obama's budget busters have not taken effect yet. When they do, that will all look like drops in a bucket.

Yeah, that's the ticket. It's the democrats going around whining about keeping gays out of the military, preventing gays from marrying, trying to abolish abortion, etc. They're not socially authoritarian at all.

At least they can talk. And abortion? Seriously dude, abortion is more complex than just being "socially authoritarian", from many people's point of view, it's murder. Personally as far as abortion is concerned, I have two observations: 1. Roe v. Wade was a ****ing stupid decision, and 2. I can't tell the difference between partial-birth abortion and infanticide.

The US needs MASSIVE campaign finance reform laws. Your whole system is broken from lobbying all the way up through campaign finance. This isn't being authoritarian, it's giving more people more of a voice instead of corporate interests.

Dude, the thing they are opposed to is people buying ads. You're against people being able to spread their message? In the end, that's all they've done, spread it. People have to actually agree with it to vote that way.

What do you want, lower the price of tv ads? I've got an idea. Why don't we BAND TOGETHER, FORM A NONPROFIT ACTION GROUP, AND BUY A TV AD TOGETHER. OH WAIT IT WAS ILLEGAL UNTIL CITIZENS UNITED.

[Asher]

Obama's budget busters have not taken effect yet. When they do, that will all look like drops in a bucket.

Lame. So you're looking at a MASSIVE difference in historical trends for 40+ years showing Republicans, on average, go into debt FAR more than Democrats and then saying "but wait til future numbers for one president, it may look very different!". Lame.

At least they can talk.

Yes, we're all very thankful that Fred Phelps can protest troops' funerals, hurling offensive comments at grieving widows and children, while I can't legally visit my partner if he's in the hospital and only 'family' can visit him Priorities.

And abortion? Seriously dude, abortion is more complex than just being "socially authoritarian", from many people's point of view, it's murder.

So what? It's social authoritarianism, period. It's Republicans forcing their social viewpoint on others.

Dude, the thing they are opposed to is people buying ads. You're against people being able to spread their message? In the end, that's all they've done, spread it. People have to actually agree with it to vote that way.

What do you want, lower the price of tv ads? I've got an idea. Why don't we BAND TOGETHER, FORM A NONPROFIT ACTION GROUP, AND BUY A TV AD TOGETHER. OH WAIT IT WAS ILLEGAL UNTIL CITIZENS UNITED.

So incomprehensibly stupid that it's not worth responding to.

Do some research into how real countries deal with this issue. Look into why Canada's campaign finance laws are so successful, contrast them with the cluster**** of US elections. Then we can have this discussion. Right now, all you know is the US' current system and, being the son of a Republican who has likely only been exposed to Republican viewpoints and arguments in any real way, of course you support the fact that certain organizations can use massive amounts of money to essentially buy elections.

The "nonprofit action groups" like the Swiftboat Veterans? To anyone remotely intelligent, that should tell you something is seriously, seriously wrong with your system.

[Al B. Sure!]

If pro-life is forcing a social viewpoint on others then pro-choice is forcing a social viewpoint on aborted fetuses

[Asher]

If pro-life is forcing a social viewpoint on others then pro-choice is forcing a social viewpoint on aborted fetuses

Parents can force their social viewpoints on their children.

[Hauldren Collider]

Parents can force their social viewpoints on their children.

That's disgusting, Asher. There is a consistent moral viewpoint that you are murdering people when you have an abortion. Except in the case of partial-birth/late-term abortions, it is a view I do not share, but you are dismissing a valid point of view as if they are jackbooted authoritarians.

We force viewpoints on people all the time. That's the entire point of government. I think we should avoid it as much as we can, but generally preventing murder is on everyone's list of things that governments should do.

[Asher]

That's disgusting, Asher. There is a consistent moral viewpoint that you are murdering people when you have an abortion. Except in the case of partial-birth/late-term abortions, it is a view I do not share, but you are dismissing a valid point of view as if they are jackbooted authoritarians.

Are they trying to tell people what to do when those people's actions do not at all impact them?

Why does "authoritarian" not apply here?

We force viewpoints on people all the time. That's the entire point of government.

Oh boy!

A government exists to provide services to its populace. Not to brainwash them and tell them how to live their lives.

I see why you are a Republican now.

but generally preventing murder is on everyone's list of things that governments should do.

So you support a ban on handguns, whose only purpose is to murder or harm people? Good for you. Consistent moral viewpoints.

[Wiglaf]

Republicans do not tell people how to live their lives, just which hole to put it in

[Felch]

For the record, I use all sorts of horrible epithets in my everyday conversation. Spear chucking shit skins stole my wallet, which I was keeping in a faggy Dockers bag. I had a lot of cash in there, because the ****s control the banks, and I can't buy weed from the spics with a credit card. I've been short on money ever since that greasy wop laid me off in January, and I don't want to go back to work at Subway because the sand ******s up there only wash the parts of their bodies that the Koran specifies.

Give me a second and I'll think of some other horrible things to say. Also, I want everybody to kill themselves. It'll save me the bother.

Asher, handguns are awesome. You should come down here and fire off my Sig. It's a 22, so even a total nancy like you could handle it.

[Heraclitus]

J and it also has one of the largest Jewish populations in the world, yet the US is one of the most philosophic countries on Earth.

Lol auto spells check turned philosemitic into philosophic.

It's not just Christianity that dislikes homosexuals.

Muslims and Jews too of course. It feels to me like Hinduism and Confucianism may have something against sodomy too, but I just don't know enough to claim either way.

So how exactly will gays get somewhere by voting for politicians who denounce gays? Aside from getting more gay people into office, of course.

I mean if someone said "jews really shouldn't vote for nazis" would you say "OMG you think jews aren't allowed to care about foreign policy, taxes, and other issues!"

Nazis tought Jews where parasites. Whatever one might say of the Christian right they don't really think that. Its silly talking about homosexuality being targeted like the Jews where because many neocons are quietly ok with homosexuality and are even homosexual themselves and libertarians are also ok with them. The GOP is a big tent. A stupid tent, but a relatively diverse one.

There were Jewısh Nazıs. It dıdn't end well.

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The gay community may have to worry about extinction if they won't be able to reproduce. Eventually people will be able to decide if the have a homosexual child or not, hopefully the artificial uterus will be developed before this time or the insane Feminist proposals to ban people from paying others from carrying their children will never come to pass.

(yes they really do want to ban this, I have no idea how Homosexual men or asexuals or men who can't attract quality women or men who want to avoid having responsibilities towards a entitled Western princess are supposed to have biological children without this but they don't care about men's rights anyway)

However you are right that the danger being slowly wiped out by cultural, biological and economic forces isn't comparable to genocide.

Wow. Are you comparing the republicans to nazis? Wow.

Did you really expect him or MrFun to be reasonable?

social authoritarianism

I don't think you realize on how many things you are a social authoritarian.

Parents can force their social viewpoints on their children.

Can you tell me how by this logic infanticide, cannibalism or child abuse is wrong?

A government exists to provide services to its populace. Not to brainwash them and tell them how to live their lives.

Are you seriously saying that the nanny state doesn't tell people how to live?

[DaShi]

Muslims and Jews too of course. It feels to me like Hinduism and Confucianism may have something against sodomy too, but I just don't know enough to claim either way.

Since when did that stop you.

[Asher]

A nanny state does, but a nanny state is a terrible form of government that overly conservative countries like Australia and the US like to have.

[Heraclitus]

Since when did that stop you.

You need to get over your obsession with me DaShi, its not healthy.

[DaShi]

I was replying to your post replying to me. You need to get over yourself, it's not healthy.

[MrFun]

We force viewpoints on people all the time. That's the entire point of government.

Wow. This is more proof that the whole idea that conservatives/Republicans want a smaller, less intrusive government is complete propaganda bull****.

This is going in my sig, Hauldren. Thanks.

[DaShi]

That can be interpreted as a comment against big government.