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Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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He's only been here 5 minutes and he's already made a Godwin fail. Claiming Athiests are like Nazis!
Unbelievable. Although he was in the Hitler Youth, so he should know.Even in our own lifetime, we can recall how Britain and her leaders stood against a Nazi tyranny that wished to eradicate God from society and denied our common humanity to many, especially the Jews, who were thought unfit to live. I also recall the regime’s attitude to Christian pastors and religious who spoke the truth in love, opposed the Nazis and paid for that opposition with their lives. As we reflect on the sobering lessons of the atheist extremism of the twentieth century, let us never forget how the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny” (Caritas in Veritate, 29).Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
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I'm off to reflect on the sobering lessons of Catholic Extremism of the Twenty-First century.
Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
We've got both kindsComment
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It is not about Nazis, it is about Commies
(but just put Nazis in for good effect) ... Commie UK, if that happens I am moving back 
Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
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Benedict is speaking truth in that quote.
It applies to both Nazis and commies. But since he's in the UK, Nazis are more relevant.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Wow, you buy that line of bull**** Dan? Sad.
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It's not bull****. Atheist extremism has caused a whole hell of a lot more suffering lately than has religious extremism -- Islamist militants included.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The claim I meant was:
Extremism, whether religious or not, gets people killed. That is no great insight.the exclusion of God, religion and virtue from public life leads ultimately to a truncated vision of man and of society and thus to a “reductive vision of the person and his destiny”
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For the vast majority of human history, atheists simply weren't around or able to wield power. They got into the act in the 20th century, sure, and the results were... basically the same as when other bad people have wielded power (though the world pop was higher, so the numbers are bigger).
I see nothing that suggests that atheists are somehow more likely to get people killed than religious folks.
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I agree with that quote especially. Human beings are inherently religious. If they do not believe in God or a higher power, human beings tend to substitute with quasi-religious beliefs.
You can be an atheist and still agree with that statement.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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So better to believe in 1 particular fairy tale than another that might be more dangerous, eh? Cynical.
I do agree that humans have (to varying degrees) an inclination toward faith (I seem to be on the low end of that scale, but we've all got some of it). If all the religions of the world vanished tomorrow, by the following morning there would be prophets of new religious doing their thing. People have been fooling people into believing ridiculous things for all time, in order to get them to do what the leader wants. It will always be thus, I suppose.
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I totally agree that the next morning, there would be substitutes.
You may view that cynically, but I do not and Benedict does not. Because it's not a fairy tale to us. And a religion that seeks virtue has a lot going for it opposite a belief that does not seek virtue.
By the way, you can be an atheist and still thank your lucky stars that you have the Church of England and the RCC rather than the alternatives.Last edited by DanS; September 16, 2010, 09:30.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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No, I don't think that it's cynical to say that substitutes would crop up. I think it's cynical to basically justify religion on the grounds that hey, it could be worse. Does the Pope think that too? I have no idea, and I don't care.
By the way, I'm pretty cynical myself. It wasn't meant as an insult or anything. In fact, my best friend (grew up Catholic, doesn't believe) made the same argument (even more bluntly) to me two weeks ago. Basically "well it's good for people to believe in that stuff because it stops them from doing bad things" or something like that. I don't think he's crazy, but I do think he's wrong.
Personally, I think THAT is "a truncation" of man.
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Of course. I'm very happy to have been born in the 20th century USA, as opposed to medieval Europe (or anywhere, for that matter), for a host of reasons.By the way, you can be an atheist and still thank your lucky stars that you have the Church of England and the RCC rather than the alternatives.
That's not much of an argument in favor of the RCC or the Church of England.
EDIT:I missed this (was this an edit?) at first. Hah. Define virtue. You appear to be using it as some sort of objective term, as if you (or your Church) has some sort of monopoly on it.And a religion that seeks virtue has a lot going for it opposite a belief that does not seek virtue.
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My mind is blown...Originally posted by DanS View Post
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "Comment
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