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    Basic training gets an overhaul

    Starting this month, basic training is no longer what it used to be.

    No more screaming drill sergeants. Fewer boring PowerPoint presentations and no more mock fighting with bayonets.

    The first recruits are going through a drastically revamped training program — designed in response to the changes in the “millennial” generation.

    Over time, new grunts arriving at the Army’s basic training locations have been softer in body, mind and spirit but far more technologically savvy than previous generations and with a greater sense of purpose. But the Army was “using old methodologies to train on the battlefield,” said Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling, who is in charge of the overhaul. “So we had to adjust what we’re training and how we’re training it.”

    Army leaders were inspired by Tony Wagner’s book “The Global Achievement Gap,” which describes how the educational system isn’t producing workers prepared for the demands of corporate America. Hertling said recruits weren’t meeting the standards of the military, either, at a time when soldiers were needed for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    For starters, the military is working with just a small slice of the population, since only 25 percent of Americans between 17 and 24 are eligible to enlist; others are disqualified because they failed to graduate from high school, have a criminal record or don’t meet physical fitness standards.

    With the downturn in the economy, the Army has seen a boost in the quality of recruits, but it still contends with weight woes. Of those who are recruited, 54 percent of males and 43 percent of females are overweight.

    The obesity problem is so bad that a battalion of retired generals who belong to an advocacy group called Mission Readiness produced a report, “Too Fat to Fight,” that’s being used to help usher in a new childhood nutrition bill scheduled to be marked up this week in the House.

    The military winds up discharging more than 1,200 enlistees because of weight problems, the report said.

    “The military must then recruit and train their replacements at a cost of $50,000 for each man or woman, thus spending more than $60 million a year,” the Mission Readiness study said. “That figure pales in comparison, however, to the cost of treating the obesity-related problems of military personnel and their families under the military’s health care system, TRICARE, or the cost of treating obesity-related problems under the veterans’ health care system.”

    Hertling faults the educational system for pulling the plug on gym class. “It became obvious to me when talking to kids and physical education teachers,” said Hertling, who has a master’s degree in exercise physiology.

    “Every state in the union required physical education in 1983. Now only one does.”

    By the time those kids arrived at basic training, not only did they lack aerobic or physical strength, but changes in their bone mass left them vulnerable to stress fractures and broken bones, he said.

    “We have to account for a balance between improving fitness in the same period of time but not breaking them,” Hertling said.

    One of the strengths new soldiers bring to the Army is their technical prowess. But the service, stuck in classroom settings that relied on lectures and PowerPoint slides, needed to catch up.

    So the Army is undertaking a pilot program that issues smart phones to trainees so they can read training literature using an application on their phones and arrive at basic training already knowing some of the basics.

    The service is also scrapping some of the courses that no longer make sense in today’s warfare to make way for cultural training that is vital to winning hearts and minds on today’s counterinsurgency fronts.

    That wasn’t an easy transition, especially for some of the sergeants, Hertling said.

    But since the last bayonet charge was in 1951, and today’s urban environments don’t allow for a steel blade on the end of a rifle, it was time for something new.

    “That doesn’t come across as soldierly,” Hertling said. But “I’d rather have a course in how to get along versus another three hours on a bayonet assault course.”

    Basic training also includes a component on values such as integrity and loyalty, which Hertling said many recruits don’t pick up as readily as they used to.

    More recruits arrive having grown up with highly structured activities rather than free play, they’ve had divorced parents or overinvolved “helicopter” parents, and there’s less emphasis on competition. Values training aims to tap into recruits’ sense of wanting to make a change.

    The Army has also included a course called Comprehensive Soldier Fitness, which helps soldiers improve their emotional intelligence.

    “This is truly a generation that will opt out. They don’t quit; they just go do something else,” Hertling said. “But if trained right, these are the best soldiers imaginable.”

    As part of the overhaul, drill sergeants have also had to swallow a change in how they deal with recruits. Now, respect is a value the Army tries to inculcate among its leaders and its soldiers.

    While drill sergeants may raise their voices, they won’t be screaming and berating soldiers the way they might have in the past. “Soldiers don’t have to be remade,” Hertling said. “They just need to be polished a little bit.”
    Smartphones? Instructors who don't scream or berate?

    Are you serious, Army? Is this a joke?
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    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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    • #3
      But since the last bayonet charge was in 1951, and today’s urban environments don’t allow for a steel blade on the end of a rifle

      The British army have used bayonet charges in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      It's clever how they do it. You see, when they aren't planning to use them, they take the bayonets off the rifles. Removable, you see?
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      • #4
        Yeah that was supposedly the last US Army bayonet charge. The Brits have used bayonets in Afghanistan, I see from Wikipedia.

        The Marine Corps still uses bayonets, however. In fact, the Corps recently improved them. No more M9 bayonets; now the OKC-3S; I always assumed it was just a Ka-Bar. Guess it's somehow different?





        But not using the bayonets is a minor point! The bigger issue is this talk of no screaming at and berating recruits and this smart phone crap.
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        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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        • #5
          bayonet charges

          Still, you don't have mandatory physical ed in the US? In the land of the obese? What happened to Arnie's gym program?
          "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wernazuma III View Post
            bayonet charges

            Still, you don't have mandatory physical ed in the US? In the land of the obese? What happened to Arnie's gym program?
            Budget cuts. People wanted to keep art and music classes so phys ed gets the axe first.

            In 1975, the United States House of Representatives voted to require school physical education classes include both genders.[3] Some high school and some middle school PE classes are single-sex. Requiring individuals to participate in physical education activities, such as dodge ball, flag football, and other competitive sports remains a controversial subject because of the social impact these have on young children. It is, however, important to note that many school budgets have seen cutbacks and in some cases physical education programs have been cut - leaving educators and students to address these needs in other ways
            I don't see what's so controversial about having kids play competitive sports I guess this is the type of America we've turned into... one where Army recruits don't even get yelled at!
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Al B. Sure! View Post
              I don't see what's so controversial about having kids play competitive sports I guess this is the type of America we've turned into... one where Army recruits don't even get yelled at!
              The way you treat your children is completely mad. ~12 years ago she had worked as an Au-pair and already complained about US spoiled brats who get all they want and are never set limits. My wife just came back from New York yesterday, after not having been in the US for ~8 years, and stated that it has become much worse. She told me about the behaviour of several American kids on the flight back to Europe, and I couldn't believe that those parents didn't act. Sometimes, slaps and yells do wonder!

              And, of course, this is no American exclusive problem. I've just finished my studies as high school teacher and it's ridiculous what grotesque ideas those theoretical pedagogues have about treating children.
              "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
              "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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              • #8
                The Army still issues you bayonets (they're made by Buck Knife in Northern San Diego County) but I don't think I ever used mine for anything other then opening packages. The self sharpening sheath kept them razor sharp though they come so well oiled you definitely don't want to use it to open an MRE or anything you'll eat. Not unless you enjoy gun oil in your food.
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                • #9
                  Al, to revive the Cheesesteak discussion we had a while back here's a link:

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                  You have to scroll down to "Old City Grill" in their article about the Cheesesteak shoot out but yesterday I went to old city and got the exact same "Aristocrat cheesesteak: though being a pig I got the footlong instead of the 6". It was mushrooms, onions, and American wagyu beef all grilled together with sharp provolone cheese and served on a Amoroso roll. I know you don't consider that a real cheesesteak but it was damn good; the wagyu beef practically melts in your mouth.
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                  • #10
                    My church has a mission at the US Naval Academy during this year's Plebe Summer. Supposedly, the midshipmen are no longer allowed to do anything more than yell at the plebes (no more assigning them manual labor, for example) for fear of bad press or something. :shrug:
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                    • #11
                      No more screaming at recruits?

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                      • #12


                        THIS is what the Army isn't going to do anymore...



                        I assume the Army Drill Sergeants are the same way as DI's, right, Oerdin?

                        Really, how the hell are Army recruits going to prepare for the stress of combat, the ability to react appropriately in a chaotic and loud environment, and develop the lungs to be able to verbally communicate in said environment unless they get yelled at and are forced to respond louder than the DI's with "Aye aye, Sir!!!!"???
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • #13
                          Only Navy pukes use aye aye.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ColdWizard View Post
                            Only Navy pukes use aye aye.
                            Marines do as well, Coldwizard. But you're right. My mistake, Army doesn't, I guess. Still the point stands whether they're saying "Yes sir!" or whatever they say.
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #15
                              Marines are just Navy appendages.
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