Obama's Role In The Oil Spill

[David Floyd]

HC

Union "Card Check" Legislation

I dare anyone to try to defend this ****.

[bipolarbear]

Unions are OK imo. They just get too big and unweildly and then there are too many stupid rules. Like when the auto companies were going to crap a year or so ago they were paying people not to work and a bunch of crap. The worst I've seen is in theatre though. IATSE does a lot of good, but there are some productions where you need to hand one prop to someone on stage and the whole thing gets delayed because you have to wait for some union prop guy 3 hours away to drive in and perform that one motion.

[Theben]

2) He could probably not put a knife in a job market that has already suffered enough body blows and drop his idea for a 6 month moratorium on oil drilling.

Only deep-water oil drilling, which is but a small fraction of all the drilling being done.

[Theben]

Unions
Right to work states

Not having to join the union when I worked at the grocery store last summer

fixed

[David Floyd]

Joining a union ****s you in the long term. Just ask the GM employees who had great benefits until union labor costs drove GM into bankruptcy. Oops.

[Theben]

So you prefer to be ****ed over right away. Different strokes.

[KrazyHorse]

Unions manage to raise their own members' wages mainly by exploiting lower-status workers.

The only way you can raise producer prices above equilibrium without subsidies is by preventing entry.

They thus increase both inefficiency and inequality.

[DinoDoc]

Only deep-water oil drilling, which is but a small fraction of all the drilling being done.

That makes it all better then.

[bipolarbear]

Unions manage to raise their own members' wages mainly by exploiting lower-status workers.

The only way you can raise producer prices above equilibrium without subsidies is by preventing entry.

They thus increase both inefficiency and inequality.

True, but workers still need some form of protection. There was a well done documentary called, "Made in L.A." about the brutal and unfair working conditions faced by illegal immigrants in the garment industry in America. Personally I don't know why we bother protecting the working rights of illegal immigrants beyond the kidnappings and lock ins that happen. My point here is not to turn the discussion toward the labor situation for illegal immigrants etc., but more to point out that when there is no regulation companies do turn tyrannical. There must be some form of regulation protecting both workers, and companies from exploiting each other.

To those of you opposed to unions, what other system would you prefer and why?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

My point here is not to turn the discussion toward the labor situation for illegal immigrants etc., but more to point out that when there is no regulation companies do turn tyrannical.

Companies turn 'tyrannical' when they have the upper hand. In labor over supply situations such as today, companies are free to dump workers and upgrade poor performers on the cheap and in general treat their employees like crap as they know the employees have no real alternative (union or otherwise).

Thus a working approach to ensuring that labor is not in oversupply is to have an environ that promotes industry and the resultant hiring that accrues to it. Thus de-regulation also can be a stimulus to worker conditions (and ultimately their strength of bargaining position union or individual) if it promotes overall industry growth.

[Dinner]

1) He should have waived the Jones Act immediately after foreign offers of help started to come in instead of rejecting them.

2) He could probably not put a knife in a job market that has already suffered enough body blows and drop his idea for a 6 month moratorium on oil drilling.

The Jones act only effects US territorial waters not 50 miles out. Only an idiot would not understand this after three months of wall to wall coverage. There was never anything to wave since it never applied. Also it would be retarded to risk another spill until a safety review is completed detailing why the spill happened and how it can be avoided. The last thing we need is more corner cutting to result in yet another spill.

[bipolarbear]

I thought EEZ waters ended after 200 nautical miles.

[DinoDoc]

Also it would be retarded to risk another spill until a safety review is completed detailing why the spill happened and how it can be avoided. The last thing we need is more corner cutting to result in yet another spill.

Are you ****ing stupid or is this just an act you use on the internet? Why do you think that Coastal Governors and Congressional Representatives are coming out against it? Why do you think the Admin has been slapped down twice by the Courts?

[giblets]

Q: Did Obama turn down foreign offers of assistance in cleaning up the Gulf oil spill? Did he refuse to waive Jones Act restrictions on foreign-flag vessels?

A: No to both questions. So far, offers from six foreign countries or entities have been accepted and only one offer has been rejected. Fifteen foreign-flag vessels are working on the cleanup, and none required a waiver.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

That's the price you pay for being president.

yes, lately, if you are being an US president, you are either shot, not a pleaser, a crook, the one who pardons the crook, wears a sweater in an inappropriate manner, shot again (but missed), wants people to read his lips, does not have sex with women doing something with their lips, and is afraid of holy nucular warriors so you have to invade someone...

the last one is not plugging a hole in the ground with his thunderer special power that we all know he has, as they all voted for change... but is too slow to engage, and that is inexcusable... lazy and incompetent bastard.

the burden is heavy, but the spinman will make sure it all works out just fine...