NV Sen.Cand. (for Reid's seat) Angle: It's God's plan that children get raped.

[dannubis]

Honest question here: What about the mother ? Where do her rights fit in the equation?

If this would happen to my wife, i would let her decide what to do with the pregnancy. If she'd decide to keep it the child would find a warm home in our family. OTOH having something grow in your belly that came from an utterly traumatizing experience is not be considered easy so I would have no problems with her choosing for a termination as well.

[DinoDoc]

Honest question here: What about the mother ? Where do her rights fit in the equation?

Given the fact this question only makes sense from the PoV of someone who is opposed to abortion, under what circumstances are you OK with killing another human being?

[RGBVideo]

things i have learned from this thread:

1) in the US, partisan democrats are scared of losing NV seat in the senate so they try to come up with smears to bury sharron angle
2) internet arguments about politics lead to absolutely nothing

[dannubis]

Given the fact this question only makes sense from the PoV of someone who is opposed to abortion, under what circumstances are you OK with killing another human being?

Ah, OK, so now were are going to have the whole definition discussion of "when does an embryo become a human being" again ?

I asked about the rights of the woman and you answered with a strawman.

Besides, I don't see you protesting all that often when people are blown to bits by the US military / IDF. So best not become to hung up too much on your self proclaimed principles...

[DinoDoc]

Ah, OK, so now were are going to have the whole definition discussion of "when does an embryo become a human being" again?

Not really. At least if you are interested in what people opposed to abortion think, otherwise the question of exceptions makes little sense.

I asked about the rights of the woman and you answered with a strawman.

For the purposes of this discussion, we're discussing when it is OK to end another human life. How is bringing that up during the course of the conversation a distraction?

Besides, I don't see you protesting all that often when people are blown to bits by the US military / IDF. So best not become to hung up too much on your self proclaimed principles...

This however is a logical fallacy. Ad hominem unless I miss my guess.

[dannubis]

1. Not really. At least if you are interested in what people opposed to abortion think, otherwise the question of exceptions makes little sense.

2. For the purposes of this discussion, we're discussing when it is OK to end another human life. How is bringing that up during the course of the conversation a distraction?

3. This however is a logical fallacy. Ad hominem unless I miss my guess.

1. If you want to make it a black-white discussion centered around moral high grounds, then you are correct.

2. "We should strife for zero traffic deaths this year" - "This is impossible" - "OK, how many should we kill then?". This is a strawman. And I don't agree. You can't have a reasonable discussion about abortion without including the right of a woman for self determination.

3. Pointing out annoying moral inconsistencies is not an ad hominem. Besides, it was not intended to be a personal insult.

[DRoseDARs]

things i have learned from this thread:

1) in the US, partisan democrats are scared of losing NV seat in the senate so they try to come up with smears to bury sharron angle
2) internet arguments about politics lead to absolutely nothing

1) Sharon Angle is doing this All. By. Her. Self. Democrats are just repeating her words for those who missed them.
2) Yes.

[Kuciwalker]

Honest question here: What about the mother ? Where do her rights fit in the equation?

If you think the fetus is a human being*, then the mother has no more right to kill it than to kill her newborn infant. If you don't, then abortion is just another surgical procedure.

*more precisely, if you think the fetus has moral value

[Kuciwalker]

Ah, OK, so now were are going to have the whole definition discussion of "when does an embryo become a human being" again ?

Since that's the only relevant question, I don't see how any discussion of the morality of abortion can avoid it.

[dannubis]

The problrem with that discussion is we had it already 15 times here. Needless to say that concensus is hard to reach...

[Elok]

And I was just stating my opinion for contrast with the pro-life movement in general. I don't believe it's possible to convince the pro-choice, if only because I consider the pro-life position self-evident.