Soccer really sucks, doesn't it?

[Serb]

Are you high? Squatting what? I'd like to see a marathoner put 300lbs on his back and a sprinter do the same and see who pumps out more reps!

Squatting without weight. I bet marathoner can do more reps than sprinter.

[Al B. Sure!]

Serb:

Do you even know how steroids work?

And go back to my original point? Why are the metabolic demands of soccer exactly the same as hockey and similar to basketball while very different from distance running? And how can a marathoner ever compete effectively against a sprinter in anything BUT long distance running.

[Al B. Sure!]

Squatting without weight. I bet marathoner can do more reps than sprinter.

Who the **** cares even if this were true (I'm not sure it is)?

Who can jump higher? Farther? Who can squat more weight? Who can lift more with his arms? Who can do freaking anything besides run?! No way in hell Haile Gebrelassie could beat Michael Johnson in any sport besides distance running!

[Serb]

I bet he can, if this sport reqires endurance instead of row strengh.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oh come on. The only reason why most of the sprinters have muscular torso is because they use steroids (to increase the speed of their legs). Their big arms, chests, shoulders are just side effects of steroids.

I'm going back to this real quick. Serb, it's okay to admit you don't know how steroids work...

One, you can't just get big arms, chest, etc. as a side effect of steroids. Go take some steroids and sit on your ass and see how good that works out for you! Without adaptation brought on by actively physically training, the higher testosterone and growth hormone levels brought on by steroids would do nothing. You can't take steroids, squat all day, and get big biceps. It doesn't work like that except for novices.

[a.kitman]

assuming there technique is equal. i would rather have johnson then Gebrelassie on my team thats for sure.

[Al B. Sure!]

I bet he can, if this sport reqires endurance instead of row strengh.

I beg to differ. Do you know what interval training is, Serb? Have you heard of the Tabata Protocol?

It's been demonstrated that short bursts of high intensity, primarily anaerobic, activity improve muscular and aerobic endurance across the board and is more effective for improving endurance than steady state aerobic work.

[Al B. Sure!]

Serb:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8897392?dopt=Abstract

This study consists of two training experiments using a mechanically braked cycle ergometer. First, the effect of 6 wk of moderate-intensity endurance training (intensity: 70% of maximal oxygen uptake (VO2max), 60 min.d-1, 5 d.wk-1) on the anaerobic capacity (the maximal accumulated oxygen deficit) and VO2max was evaluated. After the training, the anaerobic capacity did not increase significantly (P > 0.10), while VO2max increased from 53 +/- 5 ml.kg-1 min-1 to 58 +/- 3 ml.kg-1.min-1 (P < 0.01) (mean +/- SD). Second, to quantify the effect of high-intensity intermittent training on energy release, seven subjects performed an intermittent training exercise 5 d.wk-1 for 6 wk. The exhaustive intermittent training consisted of seven to eight sets of 20-s exercise at an intensity of about 170% of VO2max with a 10-s rest between each bout. After the training period, VO2max increased by 7 ml.kg-1.min-1, while the anaerobic capacity increased by 28%. In conclusion, this study showed that moderate-intensity aerobic training that improves the maximal aerobic power does not change anaerobic capacity and that adequate high-intensity intermittent training may improve both anaerobic and aerobic energy supplying systems significantly, probably through imposing intensive stimuli on both systems.

What makes that very compelling is that the endurance group did 60 minute workouts while the 'sprinting' group did 4 (yes, 4 as in four) minute workouts.

[Serb]

I'm going back to this real quick. Serb, it's okay to admit you don't know how steroids work...

One, you can't just get big arms, chest, etc. as a side effect of steroids. Go take some steroids and sit on your ass and see how good that works out for you! Without adaptation brought on by actively physically training, the higher testosterone and growth hormone levels brought on by steroids would do nothing. You can't take steroids, squat all day, and get big biceps. It doesn't work like that except for novices.

But sprinters don't sit on their asses, they run. And if you think they don't use their biceps during running you are a dummy.
Besides, I knew a guy in the gym who used steroids regularly, but spend most of his time in a gym playing ping-pong. He was ****ing crazy and ****ing big.

[Serb]

assuming there technique is equal. i would rather have johnson then Gebrelassie on my team thats for sure.

But how their stamina can be equal?

[Al B. Sure!]

But sprinters don't seat on their asses, they run and if you think they don't use their biceps during running you are a dummy.
Besides, I knew a guy in the gym who used steroids regularly, but spend most of his time in a gym playing ping-pong. He was ****ing crazy and ****ing big.

Are you really this misinformed?

I find it difficult to even google something to show you the obvious fact that steroids are useless without exercise.

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/howwork.htm

Do steroids cause muscle and body growth? There is no evidence that ultra-high doses of steroids alone will cause muscle growth through a chemical effect. In many animal species, high doses of anabolic steroids produce no more muscle growth than the normal dose would.(1,2) However, there is evidence that steroids enhance muscle growth if taken along with rigorous physical training and a high protein diet.(3-5) This exercise program must be in place before and during anabolic steroid administration.(4,6)

[Al B. Sure!]

But how their stamina can be equal?

Interval training... tabata protocol... it's been demonstrated that high intensity anaerobic activity improves aerobic capacity measured by VO2max and muscular endurance. Did you read what I just posted above your comment?

[Serb]

Are you really this misinformed?

I find it difficult to even google something to show you the obvious fact that steroids are useless without exercise.

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/howwork.htm

When exactly have I said that?
If you think that when a sprinter runs short distance he doesn't use muscles of his upper body you are hopeless.

[Al B. Sure!]

When exactly have I said that?
If you think that when a sprinter runs short distance he doesn't use muscles of his upper body you are hopeless.

Not enough to warrant significant size gains!

Okay, Serb, how many sprinters do you personally know? I know several Division I sprinters (the highest level of collegiate competition in the US)... I have trained with them. first of all, they DO train other parts of their bodies besides their legs. They do pullups, pushups, presses, etc. Hence why they're all-around good athletes (do you honestly think marathoners shoulder press as part of their regular training?)

You're the one that said the big arms are a mere 'side-effect' of steroid usage, implying they get big regardless of what is done. They get big whether they do steroids or not, because they actively train their upper body, not as a side-effect of steroids!

[Al B. Sure!]

Again, Serb...

you ignore this because it's inconvenient to you, I guess...

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/energysystems.html

Why are the metabolic demands of soccer so different from long-distance running but the same as hockey and very similar to basketball?