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    Weekly Pulse: Nun Excommunicated for Approving Lifesaving Abortion

    Wednesday 19 May 2010

    by: Lindsay Beyerstein | The Media Consortium

    A nun in Phoenix, Arizona was excommunicated for approving a lifesaving abortion. Sister Margaret McBride's role in the sacramental life of the Catholic Church came to an abrupt end after she approved an therapeutic abortion at St. Joseph's Hospital Medical Center, Robin Marty of RH Reality Check reports. She was swiftly transferred to another job at the hospital.

    The woman was 11 weeks' pregnant when she developed a life threatening case of pulmonary hypertension according to Ms. Magazine. Sr. McBride approved the procedure after consulting with the patient, her family, and the hospital's ethics committee, but the local bishop excommunicated her anyway.

    Sr. McBride's excommunication is the latest salvo in a national battle over access to reproductive health care in Catholic hospitals. Between a fifth and a third of all hospital beds in the United States are administered by the Catholic Church. Catholic hospitals provide health care services to the community at large and often receive public funding—but they are not required to offer treatments that conflict with their religious teachings.

    Excommuniqué

    Rev. Thomas J. Olmsted, Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix wrote in a statement, ""If a Catholic formally cooperates in the procurement of an abortion, they are automatically excommunicated by that action." Note that the Catholic Church doesn't automatically excommunicate priests who sexually abuse children.

    "We always must remember that when a difficult medical situation involves a pregnant woman, there are two patients in need of treatment and care; not merely one. The unborn child's life is just as sacred as the mother's life, and neither life can be preferred over the other," the bishop wrote.

    This wasn't even a choice between the life of the mother and the life of the fetus. An 11-week-old fetus is not viable. If the mother dies, the fetus dies with her. Evidently Bishop Olmestead would rather have seen the woman and the fetus die instead of saving the woman. How pro life.

    Radical, even by Catholic standards

    Amelia Thomson DeVeaux notes at Care2 that the bishop's position is radical even by Catholic standards:

    [N]ow, a dangerous precendent seems to have been established by Olmsted's actions. Olmsted himself is extremely conservative, even by Vatican standards, and has been a strong critic of Obama. But [bioethicist Jacob Appel] claims that this is not really about Olmsted - instead, the decision is reflective of a general trend in Catholic heathcare. Competent adult women, Appel suggests, are no longer allowed to make their own decisions in Catholic hospitals, which comprise approximately 1/3 of medical services in the country.

    Liliana Loofbourow passionately rebukes the bishop on the Ms. Magazine blog, "Catholics like Sister Margaret McBride are a ray of hope in the darkness. However, she is not a Catholic anymore. And as of this writing, neither am I."

    During the health care reform debate, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops flexed its political muscle to ensure maximally restrictive rules on abortion coverage for everyone. Reproductive rights groups fear that access to basic reproductive health care, and even lifesaving medical treatment in Catholic hospitals will be an ongoing point of contention.



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    It was God's plan?
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    • #3
      I'm amazed that the RCC has any credibility left to lose.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Frozzy View Post
        I'm amazed that the RCC has any credibility left to lose.

        Among catholics maybe.
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        • #5
          Rev. Thomas J. Olmsted, Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix wrote in a statement, ""If a Catholic formally cooperates in the procurement of an abortion, they are automatically excommunicated by that action." Note that the Catholic Church doesn't automatically excommunicate priests who sexually abuse children.
          Yep... Saving a mothers life when the fetus wouldn't survive anyway earns an AUTOMATIC exommunication, but being a priest and sexually abusing children doesn't. That pretty much sums up the Catholic Church... they protect their own no matter what they do wrong... but heaven help you if you save somebodies life. I guess they don't consider priests sexually abusing children a very serious sin. A few Hail Mary's and a few Our Fathers is more than enough after raping a child.
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          • #6
            Actually, I'm really quite surprised by this. It was my understanding that the RCC, like us, allows abortion to save the life of the mother. The article (which seems pretty biased, to be fair) states that this bishop is conservative by Vatican standards. I expect that this will be "overturned," assuming such a thing is possible.
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            • #7
              Need a better article.
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              • #8
                I'm really not seeing what the problem is here. It's against their beliefs. What is your point?
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                • #9
                  I also thought that the Roman Catholic Church would allow a therapeutic abortion if mother's life was in eminent peril and the fetus was doomed.
                  "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                    I'm really not seeing what the problem is here. It's against their beliefs. What is your point?
                    Hmmm so why isn't molesting children "against their beliefs"?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      I'm really not seeing what the problem is here. It's against their beliefs. What is your point?
                      Paedophilia does not get you excommunicated.
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                      • #12
                        If it's a fetus it's life is sacred.

                        If it's an adult woman, her life is expendable.
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                        • #13
                          Yes, the article is a bit biased. It's the first one I found online last night, and I was lazy. Nevertheless, the basic facts are true - the RCC excommunicated a well-regarded nun for consenting to allow an abortion to save the life of the mother, when, without the abortion, neither the fetus nor the mother would have survived anyway.
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                          • #14
                            Dave:

                            I think we're supposed to let them all die and let God sort them out?

                            (PS- it was a Catholic who made that infamous declaration... kill them all and let God sort them out)
                            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                            • #15
                              More proof that the RCC thinks it's better to rape children than be involved in an abortion that would save the mothers life...

                              Rape row sparks excommunications
                              By Gary Duffy
                              BBC News, Sao Paulo

                              A Brazilian archbishop says all those who helped a child rape victim secure an abortion are to be excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

                              The girl, aged nine, who lives in the north-eastern state of Pernambuco, became pregnant with twins.

                              It is alleged that she had been sexually assaulted over a number of years by her stepfather.

                              The excommunication applies to the child's mother and the doctors involved in the procedure.

                              The pregnancy was terminated on Wednesday.

                              Abortion is only permitted in Brazil in cases of rape and where the mother's life is at risk and doctors say the girl's case met both these conditions.

                              Police believe that the girl at the centre of the case had been sexually abused by her step-father since she was six years old.

                              The fact that she was pregnant with twins was only discovered after she was taken to hospital in Pernambuco complaining of stomach pains.

                              Her stepfather was arrested last week, allegedly as he tried to escape to another region of the country.

                              He is also suspected of abusing the girl's physically handicapped older sister who is now 14.

                              The Catholic Church tried to intervene to prevent the abortion going ahead but the procedure was carried out on Wednesday.

                              Now a Church spokesman says all those involved, including the child's mother and the doctors, are to be excommunicated.

                              The Archbishop of Olinda and Recife, Jose Cardoso Sobrinho, told Brazil's TV Globo that the law of God was above any human law.

                              He said the excommunication would not apply to the child because of her age, but would affect all those who ensured the abortion was carried out.

                              However, doctors at the hospital said they had to take account of the welfare of the girl, and that she was so small that her uterus did not have the ability to contain one child let alone two.

                              While the action of the Church in opposing an abortion for a young rape victim is not unprecedented, it has attracted criticism from women's rights groups in Brazil.
                              If the stepfather is convicted, he will still be able to confess and receive the sacraments. The doctors and her mother on the other hand won't get that chance.

                              But I guess they showed mercy by not excommunicating the 9 year old... what a swell bunch of guys.

                              I'm sure Jesus would agree that this was the right thing to do...
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