Australia: Nanny State again

[Jon Miller]

What if it's the simulated sex murder of a child?

I am assuming you mean all points graphic. Still a no go. As I said, only sick ****s wants to see simulated sex with children.

If it was implied simulated sex with a graphic simulated murder than it is probably cool/edgy.

Definitely less popular than simulated murder among 'consenting' adults though (but then, most everything is... simulated sex and simulated murder between 'consenting' adults are probably the two main reasons people go to movies).

JM

[MikeH]

How about a simulated murder committed by a child, of an adult couple whilst the couple are having sex?

[Jon Miller]

As I said, simulated murder is good , it is really the purpose of these things.

Simulated murder of an adult by a child, while the adult is abusing her/him might pass... but would be edgy.

JM

[MikeH]

What about simulated murder of 2 gay Texan pandas by an African American Catholic child from New York whilst they are enjoying the sport of Rodeoing?

[Jon Miller]

To be serious, violence is different because everyone wants to see violence. We 'need' it, and violent movies/etc provide us with that excitement while we don't have to actually physically take part in it. Or to actually have someone killed.

It does effect our society though. I do enjoy action movies and violent video games, but those who say it has no influence are lying to themselves and others.

Look at how popular punishments were back 100 years ago.

Sex we also are all into, and 'need'. And sex is also part of movies/etc. How many people watch something at least in part because it has 'hot' people in it?

But sex also influences us. There is a lot of sexual things that I would not be interested in but I am because of their commonness in pornography. And if you consider sex as being more than just intercourse, people's behaviors are also heavily effected by those media which show non-graphic sex (dating/relationships/one night stands/etc... I know people who consider themselves to be serious about sex/relationships/etc just because they don't have one night stands).

All of this influences us.

Most people don't want to **** kids. This is a good thing. If we start having lots of simulated sex with kids in our pornography, then more people would want to **** kids.

What is in porn becomes more popular. We have seen this recently, and in the past (A2M/etc). And porn also likes to go beyond the norm, to what is kinky. If it is a situation you could easily get in (with your GF or whores or whatever) why would you watch porn?

I actually think that there are good, logical reasons, to disallow graphic simulated sex with children.

JM

[MikeH]

It seems to be an American idea that violence on TV/movies is ok but sex is terrible. I don't get it.

Child sex aside.

I think sex/nudity are much more healthy for people to be seeing than simulated murder. And I don't agree we "need" to see violence. At all.

[Jon Miller]

You notice I put in "need" in quotes.

And america has a strong porn/sex/etc selection. I disagree with the view that 'sex is terrible' in America. Or even that it is terrible in movies. Sex/etc is very common in the US, I expect more common than Britain, a lot of our movies/etc are based on it. I put it down as something that is crucial for movies, just as I put down violence.

I put "need" for both sex and violence because it people seem to crave it. They don't really need it, but they will spend a lot of time/effort/money to take part in some way.

Years ago it was public executions/etc. Years before that it was arenas and 'games'. Now it is video games and movies.

It is definitely a strong desire that people have.

I agree that violence isn't needed. And actually, if I spend time away from violence (in the world of physics and nature and spirituality) then I find a violent movie/etc unpleasant. But it is very easy to grow use to it, and to enjoy some of it. And I have never been one of those people who seem to crave it!

JM

[giblets]

I doubt you feel the same way about, say, a simulated murder on film which is indistinguishable from a real murder.

If I'm correct, could you please explain the justification for the distinction?

No one, as far as I can tell, actually murders someone when they want to have a murder in their film, so making simulated murder on film which is indistinguishable from a real murder illegal would be addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

[Hauldren Collider]

No one, as far as I can tell, actually murders someone when they want to have a murder in their film, so making simulated murder on film which is indistinguishable from a real murder illegal would be addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

I honestly have not seen a lot of evidence to suggest that there is widespread child rape in order to create fetish porn. If there is in fact such evidence, can you provide a link?

[Hauldren Collider]

I am assuming you mean all points graphic. Still a no go. As I said, only sick ****s wants to see simulated sex with children.

That is not a valid reason to ban speech. Not by a long shot. Period.

[Jon Miller]

That is not a valid reason to ban speech. Not by a long shot. Period.

Huh? Wrong.

JM

[KrazyHorse]

No one, as far as I can tell, actually murders someone when they want to have a murder in their film, so making simulated murder on film which is indistinguishable from a real murder illegal would be addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

I have no idea wtf this is supposed to mean.

[KrazyHorse]

Huh? Wrong.

JM

No, right. A product only being desired by moral deviants is insufficient reason to ban it.

[Hauldren Collider]

Moral deviants often includes Jews.

[Asher]

Moral deviants often includes Jews.

Very often.