GroBdeutschland

[Dinner]

EPW, I'm hoping to divorce the Nazi ideas and concentrate on the Wilsonian self determination of peoples idea. Honestly I think the ethnic German self determination thing was justified.

[Drake Tungsten]

Germans are evil, Oerdin. Nothing they do is morally justified.

[Dinner]

Like I said, I'm hoping to advance beyond Nazism to the classic Wilsonian ideals. Independent of what people did in the past what is justified in terms of self government and self determination of peoples?

[Drake Tungsten]

The Germans can't be allowed self-determination. It's the duty of civilized nations to keep them weak and in a cage, praying that they never find a way out.

[EPW]

EPW, I'm hoping to divorce the Nazi ideas and concentrate on the Wilsonian self determination of peoples idea. Honestly I think the ethnic German self determination thing was justified.

Look up the election results and polls from the different areas and see if a majority wanted to join Nazi Germany. Since the Nazi's never got a majority in Germany itself I doubt any of them did either.

[Dinner]

Non-retards could figure it out.

Oh, **** you, ******. We all know that without looking it up you had no clue how to type ß. Don't bother denying it as we all know the truth.

[Dinner]

Look up the election results and polls from the different areas and see if a majority wanted to join Nazi Germany. Since the Nazi's never got a majority in Germany itself I doubt any of them did either.

The only area which democratically voted to join German was Austria though arguably the Sudetenland also voted to join Germany. I doubt any other areas voted to join Germany though I wonder what would have happened if they were given the chance. At least for the ethnic German areas as I think we all know how the nonethnic German areas would have voted.

[giblets]

What is and isn't a "people" is kind of hard to define. For example, whether Austrians are Germans or something else is a matter of opinion. Unless a majority of Austrians agree that they are Germans and this is proven through a fair, democratic referendum I don't see how annexation could ever be justified.

Also I never typed ß until now.

But I could have figured it out. And that's not a façade.

[germanos]

It's really GroBItalia, since it all decended from the Holy Roman Empire :

[EPW]

The only area which democratically voted to join German was Austria though arguably the Sudetenland also voted to join Germany. I doubt any other areas voted to join Germany though I wonder what would have happened if they were given the chance. At least for the ethnic German areas as I think we all know how the nonethnic German areas would have voted.

The Nazis had already taken over and the vote was obviously fraudulent. It passed with 99.1%.

[Dinner]

GroßHRE?

[giblets]

The Nazis had already taken over and the vote was obviously fraudulent. It passed with 99.1%.

Your "logic" doesn't faze Oerdin.

[Dinner]

The Nazis had already taken over and the vote was obviously fraudulent. It passed with 99.1%.

I agree with that though I wonder if 50% +1 would have been achieved even without Hitler's antics. It honestly looks like they likely would have voted for union but Hitler wanted to make 100% sure it was an over whelming victory and so went hog wild.

[Dinner]

I already knew a bunch about Austria-Hungary but I found this to be interesting since I knew there was an internal division but I never knew the exact lines. Orange is the Empire of Austria, the whitish color was the Kingdom of Hungary (which had a right to fly its own flag), while Bosnia was neither but administered by the imperial authorities.

[Dinner]

In the late 19th century the Greater German concept combined with racist and antisemitic elements was adopted by the Pan-Germanist movement of the Alldeutscher Verband in Germany and its counterpart in Austria–Hungary. The idea of Austrian territories with a significant German-speaking population joining a Greater German state was again officially promoted after the dissolution of Austro–Hungarian monarchy in 1918 by the proclamation of a German Austrian rump state. An annexation was however prohibited according to the terms of both the treaties of Saint-Germain and Versailles, though some right-wing Austrian political parties like the Greater German People's Party pursued the demand. In the course of the 1938 Anschluss of Austria, Adolf Hitler declared himself the consummator of Greater German ideas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gro%C3%9Fdeutsche_L%C3%B6sung