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  • Dutch speak out against homophobic statements of U.S. retired general.

    By MIKE CORDER, Associated Press Writer Mike Corder, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 11 mins ago
    THE HAGUE, Netherlands – The Dutch prime minister Friday denounced as "irresponsible" a claim by a retired U.S. general that gay Dutch soldiers were partly to blame for allowing Europe's worst massacre since World War II.

    Dutch officials, from the Cabinet to the military, were outraged by retired Gen. John Sheehan's remarks at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in Washington, D.C., on Thursday.

    Sheehan claimed that Dutch military leaders had called the presence of gay soldiers in the army "part of the problem" that allowed Serb forces to overrun the Srebrenica enclave in Bosnia in July 1995 and kill some 8,000 Muslim men.

    Dutch troops were serving in the undermanned U.N. peacekeeping force in Srebrenica when they were overrun by heavily armed Serb forces, who went on to turn the surrounding countryside into killing fields littered with mass graves.

    Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende called Sheehan's comments irresponsible and said at his weekly news conference that "these remarks should never have been made."

    "Toward Dutch troops — homosexual or heterosexual — it is way off the mark to talk like that about people and the work they do under very difficult circumstances," he said.

    Sheehan, a former NATO commander who retired from the military 1997, was speaking in opposition to a proposal to allow gays to serve openly in the U.S. military.

    Balkenende said he would not take up the issue with President Barack Obama because Sheehan is already retired.

    Defense Minister Eimert van Middelkoop called Sheehan's claim "damaging" and not worthy of a soldier. "I don't want to waste any more words on it," he said.

    Gen. Henk van den Breemen, Dutch chief of staff at the time of the Srebrenica genocide, called Sheehan's comments "total nonsense" and denied ever having suggested gays in the army might have played a role in the Srebrenica massacre.

    The Netherlands has a long history of accepting homosexuality, and gays have long been welcome in the country's armed forces — which also allow labor unions.

    The leader of one such union, Jan Kleian, was incensed by Sheehan's comments.

    "The man is crazy," he told Dutch radio. "It sounds hard, but I can't put it any other way."
    Gen. John Sheehan's Stupidity and Bigotry
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    They were probably having a "tea party" when the invasion occured. Or they were busy watching Oprah.
    Everybody knows...Democracy...One of Us Cannot be Wrong...War...Fanatics

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    • #3
      The first time you puked up stereotypical jokes in Apolyton OT, they were not funny. And they still aren't.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #4
        Lighten up, Francis.
        Everybody knows...Democracy...One of Us Cannot be Wrong...War...Fanatics

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        • #5
          There was nothing funny about Srebrenica.
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            The PC police are here. Everyone to your shelters.
            Everybody knows...Democracy...One of Us Cannot be Wrong...War...Fanatics

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              I was tossed from the PC police.

              Go ahead and joke, I'm not ragging you. Just saying there's nothing funny about this topic in my eyes and I love dark humour.
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Does homophobic even have a meaning anymore.

                I agree with the General's overall point, that the Eurpeans don't design or allow their armed forces to fight anymore (this has changed since Iraq/Afghanistan) and that led directly to what happened in Bosnia.

                However, I don't think homosexuals in particular have anything at all to do with it.
                "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                • #9
                  BS.

                  Srebrenica was a failing of the UN not the Dutch soldiers.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                    Does homophobic even have a meaning anymore.

                    I agree with the General's overall point, that the Eurpeans don't design or allow their armed forces to fight anymore (this has changed since Iraq/Afghanistan) and that led directly to what happened in Bosnia.

                    However, I don't think homosexuals in particular have anything at all to do with it.
                    I'm not sure what you mean by, "Does homophobic even have a meaning anymore."
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ecofarm View Post
                      Lighten up, Francis.
                      Just STFU and then GTFO.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                        I'm not sure what you mean by, "Does homophobic even have a meaning anymore."
                        Homophobic used to mean people who were scared of homsexuals, however you drop so liberally it really has no meaning whatsoever. Nothing the General said was homophobic, even if it was discriminatory.
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                          BS.

                          Srebrenica was a failing of the UN not the Dutch soldiers.
                          It would be a failing of both. Can you honstely say you can imagine and American or British unit basically surrendering and and allowing themselves to be held prisoner for all intents and purposes besides letting what went down go down?

                          EDIT: To clarify Wezil, I don't so much blame the Dutch soldiers individually as I do the Dutch as a whole. Their force was undertrained, undermotivated, underequiped, and undersupported. That is partially the fault of the UN, but not entirely.
                          Last edited by Patroklos; March 19, 2010, 14:31.
                          "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ecofarm View Post
                            They were probably having a "tea party" when the invasion occured. Or they were busy watching Oprah.
                            The only tea partier here is you.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Ecofarm View Post
                              Or they were busy watching Oprah.
                              Dutch surely care about Oprah.
                              Blah

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