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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
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Actually, yes. He might not have known, but as the head of the RCC he carries the main responsibility.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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The head of the RCC? He dealt with this as Razzi.
His deputy did not inform him or get the ok in response to the bishop mentioning some fkd up stuff going on?
"He did not reply! His deputy did as a representative of his office!"
C'mon, dude. When your secretary/deputy responds to a bishop with recomendations of punative action for child sex-abuse, you probably know about it.
He knew.Comment
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Honestly Eco, a sledgdehammer are delicate compared to you 
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I'm no fan of the RC church, but it is always worth remembering the distinction between allegations and convictions. Once an allegation is automatically equated with guilt, justice has failed.
Schoolteachers frequently face false allegations against them which can, and have, destroyed innocent lives. There will also be true allegations but due process is essential. Similarly with rape allegations.
Having said all this, I consider any religious indoctrination of children to be a form of abuse anyway, but I don't expect this opinion to be widely shared.Comment
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True, but who shall make the inquiry and who shall decide the proper conviction if found guilty ?With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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It's also worth remembering that many of these allegations do not have strong enough evidence to prosecute. This is unfortunate from the victim's standpoint because they cannot obtain justice. It is also unfortunate from the priest's and the church's standpoint, because there is nothing they can do to clear their names. The church most often will not know the whole truth besides. Lastly, these cases do not begin and end with the justice system -- the church can't just hand off the choices here to the civil authorities.Last edited by DanS; April 2, 2010, 23:14.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well, I gather that the police are the usual body to investigate and prosecute transgressions of the law.Originally posted by BlackCat View PostComment
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The thing is, I see no reason for priests to be in a position of power and authority over children anyway. Take away that authority, as I would like, and I expect that most of the abuse would disappear.Originally posted by DanS View PostComment
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Honestly, you MUST have Ben on ignore.Originally posted by Cort Haus View Post If you were able to read his postings, you would know that he thinks that the RCC is far better to handle such.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Originally posted by DanS View Post
What you really are saying is that it is expected that priests will lie to their bishops etc.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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I would assume that a priest who can rationalize pedophilia actions can also rationalize a lie or a shading of the truth to his bishop.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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That's a self-milking cow.Originally posted by Cort Haus View PostI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Originally posted by DanS View Post
No problem Just collecting evidence - guess that bishops could be expected to act similary - etc.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven WeinbergComment
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The difference is that bishops are the managers. That introduces all the vagaries of management.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Yeah, but that actually goes up to the CEO.With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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