Global Warming: Policy-Driven Deception

[ricketyclik]

As far as I know, "climate change" is now the appropriate term because "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer. If the planet gets screwed up it could mess up the gulf stream and many other systems that could have very different effects. So it could cause much colder temps in some places and much warmer temps in others.

Plus it helps defray the misconceptions that result in people saying "it is snowing, global warming is a myth!"

But if you want to go on believing it is a big bad conspiracy, be my guest.

Whatever. It's driven by warming, in any case.

[Al B. Sure!]

They're everywhere!

Well now I know that you're not Caligastia's DL.


Cali:

Are you in NJ now? Where?

And are you still a believe in that bizarre humans came from outer space stuff?

[ricketyclik]

As far as I know, "climate change" is now the appropriate term because "global warming" is a bit of a misnomer. If the planet gets screwed up it could mess up the gulf stream and many other systems that could have very different effects. So it could cause much colder temps in some places and much warmer temps in others.

Plus it helps defray the misconceptions that result in people saying "it is snowing, global warming is a myth!"

But if you want to go on believing it is a big bad conspiracy, be my guest.

Luntz Memo on the Environment

...Luntz advises that, “’Climate change’ is less frightening than ’global warming.’ ... While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge” (p. 142).

When I originally heard about this it was claimed he got the idea from Exxon's PR people. I can't find a source.

[Caligastia]

Well now I know that you're not Caligastia's DL.


Cali:

Are you in NJ now? Where?

And are you still a believe in that bizarre humans came from outer space stuff?

I'm in West Orange. Are you talking about the Urantia Book? If so, you've mischaracterized it.

[Al B. Sure!]

Yes. Urantia.

West Orange? Oh, close to NYC. Isn't that like an upper class area? What are you doing there?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

that was an interesting discussion loooong time ago, Apolyton education

[ricketyclik]

Climate change whips up floods, fire and ice
BRIAN SULLIVAN AND MADELENE PEARSON
August 8, 2010

CLIMATE change has been blamed for floods that have killed thousands and left millions homeless from Pakistan to North Korea, fires and a heatwave in Russia that have left 5000 dead and disrupted global food markets, and a severe tropical storm threatening Bermuda.

In Greenland, a giant ice island four times the size of Manhattan - about 225 square kilometres - has broken off the Petermann Glacier. It is the largest chunk of ice to calve in the Arctic since 1962.

Governments fear the devastation in Asia may stretch aid efforts as crops are destroyed amid soaring wheat prices, caused in part by Russia's decision to ban grain exports until December 31.

''Mother Nature is playing a very evil hand,'' Peter McGuire, managing director at CWA Global Markets, said in Sydney yesterday. ''It's always the poor that suffer.''

The weather drew comment from officials and activists at international climate change talks in Bonn.

One US delegate said Russia's heatwave and the recent floods that have devastated Pakistan are ''consistent with the kind of changes we would expect to see from climate change and they will only get worse unless we act quickly''.

But the environmental group Greenpeace said negotiators at the talks were not getting the message.

''Russia is burning and Pakistan is drowning, yet they seem happy to continue as if they have all the time in the world,'' said the group's climate policy director Wendel Trio.

The floods in north-western Pakistan that have killed 1400 and affected another 12 million since July 22 may spread south, said the United Nations humanitarian co-ordinator for Pakistan, Martin Mogwanja.

The deadliest floods in 80 years have damaged 5 per cent of Pakistan's rice crop. At least 1.8 million people urgently need food, the UN said.

In India, more than 110 have died and hundreds missing after flash floods struck the disputed region of Kashmir. In North Korea, whose 24 million people rely on food aid, rains triggered landslides that wrecked homes and buried crops.

The disaster is raising concerns of a repeat of the 2008 food crisis.

China's worst floods in a decade have left nearly 1700 people dead or missing and forced the evacuation of about 18,000 villagers in north-eastern Jilin province and more rain is forecast.

In Russia, 558 forest and peatbog fires east of Moscow have killed 52 people and shrouded the city in smoke. Defence authorities are moving nuclear missiles. Officials said Russia's summer heatwave has cost almost 5000 lives. As carbon monoxide in Moscow's air rose to 4.8 times the admissible maximum level, Russians were advised to stay indoors and wear masks outside.

Hurricane Gert is causing winds of up to 120km/h in Bermuda with the main force of the storm expected to pass to the east of the islands.

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[Berzerker]

so now we're blaming climate change for the monsoon season?

The deadliest floods in 80 years

and the place was less populated in 1930, must have been global warming, right? Oh, the 1930 floods were the deadliest in 110 years?

[Hauldren Collider]

Climate change is real guys. It killed the dinosaurs, and now it's gonna kill us!

[DinoDoc]

I thought it was a meteor that did them in rather than their industrialization.

[ricketyclik]

so now we're blaming climate change for the monsoon season?

...and the place was less populated in 1930, must have been global warming, right? Oh, the 1930 floods were the deadliest in 110 years?

I am under the impression they're Pakistan's worst floods in history.

[Dauphin]

I am under the impression they're Pakistan's worst floods in history.

I love the comments:

not one penny to these Anti-American people let the rains wash the whole *ucking country into the ocean these our Obomos peoplle he would not give 1 penny to Israel if they where in need of help Muslim loving dog hope the whole country sinks into the Ocean no good Ghandis

Yo Yo Yo I think aiding the world is now secondary to aid for our fellow American's, our mothers and father's and their children. Geez we can't see the need to extend unemployment support but we can bail out Pakistan? Who else are we bailing out? It's time to get a list of where our aid moneys go and make a decision whether it's a good investment or not before we send them the help. We have our own suffering at home folks.

Great. Once again U.S. taxpayers are providing for those who would gladly kill us. America has to be the world's most naive sucker.

The U.S. can not be there to help anyone anymore. We have had more than enough of our own problems and money shortfalls to deal with.

Where are all the complaints about the US interfering?

we have ready stock of 1000 tents at low price for effecties contect with me at.... artco21km@hotmail.com

whats wrong you people, how much money has US committed...35 Millions...wow that much... just in Afghan War they have spent hundreds of BILLIONS...its fun to spend money to kill...not to save right, American genius...

[Berzerker]

I am under the impression they're Pakistan's worst floods in history.

I was quoting from your article

The deadliest floods in 80 years

So before I click on that 2nd link, does it conflict with your first? Then quote it.

[ricketyclik]

Local and international relief workers say continued heavy rainfall has worsened the situation in Pakistan where raging floodwaters have killed more than 1,600 people and affected 15 million in the past two weeks. The United Nations says Pakistan will need billions of dollars to recover from its worst floods in history.
In addition to causing major human loses, Pakistan's raging floodwaters have destroyed hundreds of thousands of homes, washed away crops and livestock.
Floodwaters have raged down from the northwestern Khyber Pakhtoonkhaw Province to the agriculture heartland of Punjab and have reached the southern Sindh province.
Watch Raw Video of Pakistan's Floods:

The country's army is leading the relief efforts, but with more rain forecast relief workers are anticipating further devastation.
Bad weather has hampered helicopter flights carrying relief goods for victims still trapped in remote areas. U.N officials say they are particularly worried about the needs of 600,000 people who remain completely cut off in the north of Khyber Paskhtoonkhaw Province.
Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani traveled to the flood-hit parts of southern Pakistan, where he told reporters his country has been set back many years because of the devastation. He reiterated his appeal for the international community to help Pakistan in dealing with the crisis.
But the prime minister dismissed criticism the government's poor response is to be blamed for the miseries of the flood victims.
"In fact, the government has done everything possible under its control," he said. "Provincial governments, they are all doing their utmost. But it is [an]unprecedented flood, it is beyond imagination and it is beyond expectation."
U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs spokesman Maurizio Giuliano tells VOA shelter for the millions of victims is the biggest and most urgent concern.
"We will need hundreds of thousands of tents," said Giuliano. "Therefore, we are working closely in support of the government trying to liase with donors, trying to liase with all U.N agencies and NGOs so that we can figure out where we can get a lot of tents from or some other kind of shelter."
The U.N spokesman says hundreds of millions of dollars in humanitarian relief will be needed in coming months while in the long term, he says, billions may be needed to rebuild infrastructure and restore livelihoods.
The United States has also urgently rushed humanitarian assistance to Pakistan, including food, shelter and medical supplies. It has already committed $35 million to help people in the affected areas.
U.S officials say about 50-percent of the food provided to flood-hit families is being supplied by the United States through the World Food Program.

Even if they're not the worst, they're in line with the well-documented increasing incidence of extreme weather events, which in turn is in line with global warming forecasts of long-standing.

[DinoDoc]

Don't be stupid. A singular event is no more proof of global warming than the years after Katrina can be used against it.