Why haven't we been back to the moon?

[Serb]

Not quite true - you would have to include the soviet in the conspiracy. They were quite able to figure out if something was coming from low orbit or the moon. The Chinese is a bit more questionable, but they could probably also. Then there are the rest of the world and their capability to monitor such, but I assume you belive they all were controlled by CIA

The hardest task was to deliever a human on Moon and then return him back to Earth, not to launch a rocket to the Moon and back.
And nobody from Earth could monitor the actual moon landing.

[Serb]

Sure, there was of course people in denial, typically those not burdened with facts. Soviet would have cried out loudly if they had any evidence of fraud, but since they didn't, they accepted the fact that the moon landing had been done.

Maybe they just didn't have a 100% a killing evidence and didn't want to look like whiners. And when time passed everybody already bought that crap and it was too late anyway.

[BlackCat]

The hardest task was to deliever a human on Moon and then return him back to Earth, not to launch a rocket to the Moon and back.
And nobody from Earth could monitor the actual moon landing.

BS. Even you russkies could easily determine the source of radio/TV signals.

Edit: Just ask KH about how signals are affected by speed. It's 30 years since I had to waste time with such, but I think he has it pretty fresh. You have to ask him because I'm currently enjoying being on his ignore so he won't see this

[BlackCat]

Maybe they just didn't have a 100% a killing evidence and didn't want to look like whiners. And when time passed everybody already bought that crap and it was too late anyway.

Don't be ridiculous. They would have loved to put some gravel in the US/NASA machnery.

[N35t0r]

The LRO is taking pictures of Apollo stuff on the moon (and other probes and landers as well), but those are doctored anyway

[Flubber]

Not nescesary all of NASA.

Obviously not ALL, but his premise was that a conspiracy could be relatively small and that in a highly compartmentlized agency like NASA all the rest of the folks would be fooled

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Launch=/ moon landing.

I know this. I was simply trying to ascertain what his theory was. It seems it was that the astronauts went up into orbit and simply stayed there for a few days but at the time I was wondering if he believed the launch didn't happen.

[Serb]

BS. Even you russkies could easily determine the source of radio/TV signals.

Lol. Sure thing the source can be tracked. The problem is what kind of signal is transmitted: a live moon landing or a record of movie shot on earth.

[Serb]

Don't be ridiculous. They would have loved to put some gravel in the US/NASA machnery.

Soviet space scientists had the same info as any other people on planet. And even less. Soviet TV didn't broadcast the landings. Soviet specialists simply had no any details and had to buy the same TV-bullsh!t as others. Why do you expect more from them is beyond me.
There was no such thing as Soviet inspection of Apollo programm and NASA never invited Soviets so they could check it.

[BlackCat]

Lol. Sure thing the source can be tracked. The problem is what kind of signal is transmitted: a live moon landing or a record of movie shot on earth.

That's why you should ask KH, he probably can the math. Even 60 russian tech could determine if the source of a signal was going "moon speed" or command module speed.

[BlackCat]

Soviet space scientists had the same info as any other people on planet. And even less. Soviet TV didn't broadcast the landings. Soviet specialists simply had no any details and had to buy the same TV-bullsh!t as others. Why do you expect more from them is beyond me.
There was no such thing as Soviet inspection of Apollo programm and NASA never invited Soviets so they could check it.

Are you seriously claiming that russkies wasn't following the apollo missions with all resources they could put into such ?

[Flubber]

No. My rebuttal re: the Russians was that it wouldn't matter if they called BS anyway, they'd get smeared as being lunatics and the herd would trample all over them. You should know exactly how that works, or can you not see outwardly from the herd?

They would have loved to call BS on the US and there would have been ample political opponents in the US that would take up the cause in the name of partisan politics. Prove otherwise.

Until I see evidence suggesting otherwise, that is what I think. Do you have compelling evidence of Apollo being tracked to the moon and back by an independent source, or are you just assuming that it was? You really shouldn't assume.

I don't have compelling evidence that my house did NOT burn down last night either. I am assuming police and fire department reports which fail to mention my house would not serve the purpose and my word that I walked out of my house this morning would be insufficient as it is not independent.

If your argument is so rock solid and unassailable then why resort to this kind of nonsense? I have not said a word about aliens or IMAX, yet you pull it out of thin air and try to smear my other views by association.

Why is a giant Imax or space alien involvement nonsense? Its as logical as your suggestion of a trade of US ICBM secrets to the USSR in return for their silence on a faked moon landing and the space alien one is even more plausible.


JUst curious HL but what eveidence would satisfy you. If you could observe current day telescopes that could see vehicles on the surface of the moon would that satisfy you . . . . or would you assume that this was computer generated fakery in furtherance of the conspiracy?

[N35t0r]

Lol. Sure thing the source can be tracked. The problem is what kind of signal is transmitted: a live moon landing or a record of movie shot on earth.

*sigh*

By monitoring a signal from two points far enough apart on earth, you can easily tell how far away it is, and how it is moving. Russia has enough longitude to do this for a good part of the voyage. If Apollo hadn't left LEO, they'd have known.

[edit:] xpost. quote added for clarity.

[Serb]

Of course. Did I ever said that Apollo hadn't left LEO?

[Serb]

Are you seriously claiming that russkies wasn't following the apollo missions with all resources they could put into such ?

Absolutely. Their best scientific minds were busy enough doing their own Moon programm.

[Flubber]

*sigh*

By monitoring a signal from two points far enough apart on earth, you can easily tell how far away it is, and how it is moving. Russia has enough longitude to do this for a good part of the voyage. If Apollo hadn't left LEO, they'd have known.

[edit:] xpost. quote added for clarity.

Well HL seemed to be in the stayed in orbit camp-- Serb however is adding a change to the theory-- The Americans went to the moon but did not actually land anything