Why haven't we been back to the moon?

[HalfLotus]

1. A few people expressed serious doubts about NASA's capability to make it to the moon. A couple of them ended up dead. One of them was an astronaut and was burned alive in a very preventable test 'accident'. That tends to keep people in line. Not to mention simply losing your job and your livelihood if you cross the higher-ups. Keeping secrets in highly compartmentalized organizations is extremely easy.

2. I addressed the Soviet angle. It's weak.

3. Lots of people could have tracked it. But did they? The page linked earlier said they were in cahoots with NASA. Next.

4. Filming a 'moon' mission in the desert and broadcasting it on TV is a hell of a lot easier than flying 240,000 miles into outer space, parking on the moon, cruising around in a moon buggy, taking impossibly lit and composed pictures, packing your **** up, and flying 240,000 miles back.

[Guynemer]

****.

[rah]

A kid down the street from us tracked the spacecraft on his telescope. Looking back, it's obvious that he was part of the conspiracy.

[Boris Godunov]

His beginning and end summaries completely misrepresent the video,

You idiot, he provides still shots from the footage that prove that the pictures of Earth couldn't have been taken from low orbit, independently of whatever Sibrel's video claims.

See all those stills from the footage showing a steadily shrinking Earth in the window? See how the still shots of the capsule show how the window doesn't have any sort of cardboard implement on it? Do you not see how the shrinking Earth image couldn't be explained by a "transparency" covering part of the window to fake a shadow?

Sibrel edited these things out of the video, because he's a dishonest hack, and you're falling for it like the gullible loon you are.

[Boris Godunov]

And honestly this Russian thing is the best ya'll got? Washington phones Moscow, "Hey we're gonna pull a doozie next week, let it slide and we'll give ya the plans to next springs ICBM line!"

Yes, I'm sure that the Russians, having spent millions and millions on their own space program and had been able to bask in the glory of being the first into space would have just rolled over for the USA when asked nicely, even though it would obviously give the USA the permanent victory in the race.

And I'm sure the U.S. would be eager to divulge information about its nuclear weapons to its chief rival, yes.

In any event, what if Russia says the landings were faked? Washington immediately smears it as Commie propaganda, and how many people are gonna buy the Moscow accusation? None. End result: Commies with egg on face, and a public opinion they can't hope to shape.

Yeah, because the the Soviets didn't see the value of propaganda, even if the Western countries didn't believe any of it.

Strange that after the fall of Communism, none of this information would have come to light, especially from all the ex-Soviet space engineers who would no longer have any incentive to keep lying about it...

And did the U.S. also buy off all of the other countries that independently monitored the Apollo missions? That's quite a conspiracy ring...

**** indeed.

[HalfLotus]

still shots from the footage that prove that the pictures of Earth couldn't have been taken from low orbit, independently of whatever Sibrel's video claims.

Why does he repeatedly lie about what the video does say? He's clearly dishonest or stupid, why would I take his other claims seriously?

Sibrel edited these things out of the video,

The web page provides stills with no evidence that they came from the same video. Why didn't he post the video? YouTube too expensive for him?

And where are all these 'other people' and 'other countries' that monitored Apollo all the way to the moon? You're assuming and proposing that they did, but provide no evidence to substantiate it - other than some terrible web page talking about people cooperating with NASA and Washington corporations, and then conveniently losing their record of it.

[Darius871]

Keeping secrets in highly compartmentalized organizations is extremely easy.

And you say this based on your extensive experience in, which highly compartmentalized organization was that again? Mickey's Diner?

Having witnessed the inner workings of... "a certain federal agency" firsthand, my strong impression was that quite the opposite is true. The extreme ease with which a document-holding whistleblower can maintain anonymity vis-a-vis journalists only bolsters that impression. But I'll take your idle speculation over this any day.

[N35t0r]

1. A few people expressed serious doubts about NASA's capability to make it to the moon. A couple of them ended up dead. One of them was an astronaut and was burned alive in a very preventable test 'accident'. That tends to keep people in line. Not to mention simply losing your job and your livelihood if you cross the higher-ups. Keeping secrets in highly compartmentalized organizations is extremely easy.

A few people expressed serious doubts about my father-in-law and some of them eded up dead in a very preventable car accident. I better be careful about him

2. I addressed the Soviet angle. It's weak.

Your address is weak.

3. Lots of people could have tracked it. But did they? The page linked earlier said they were in cahoots with NASA. Next.

My mother's cousin tracked it. He doesn't speak english, and at the time was living in a farm in Santiago del Estero with no phone. He was clearly in cahoots with NASA, right?

4. Filming a 'moon' mission in the desert and broadcasting it on TV is a hell of a lot easier than flying 240,000 miles into outer space, parking on the moon, cruising around in a moon buggy, taking impossibly lit and composed pictures, packing your **** up, and flying 240,000 miles back.

Considering that getting off the earth and back down takes 90% of the effort? Ridiculous.

[HalfLotus]

Strange that after the fall of Communism, none of this information would have come to light, especially from all the ex-Soviet space engineers who would no longer have any incentive to keep lying about it...

What would be their incentive to reveal it now? They'd be laughed at and ridiculed, and probably be out of job.

It doesn't matter what happened, it only matters what people believe. And obviously people's minds are completely closed on this matter.

[N35t0r]

What would be their incentive to reveal it now? They'd be laughed at and ridiculed, and probably be out of job.

Are you out of a job?

[HalfLotus]

Having witnessed the inner workings of a certain federal agency firsthand, my strong impression was that quite the opposite is true.

No doubt the inner workings of the U.S. Postal Service are quite porous.

[N35t0r]

No doubt the inner workings of the U.S. Postal Service are quite porous.

What? You don't know they open every letter, record it, and add it's information to the personal files of the sender and recipient?

[Darius871]

No doubt the inner workings of the U.S. Postal Service are quite porous.

No, try punishable by imprisonment of up to ten years type stuff, but I'm not here to brag and am just noting my own experience regarding opsec's inevitable practical limitations. Judging by your basic logic skills I'd imagine even the USPS wouldn't trust you with any modicum of responsibility, so I'm curious what you know about it.

Seriously, what have you personally experienced (beyond skimming myriad books and websites engaging in post hoc rationalization of preconceived notions) that makes you such an expert on how the government operates? Or even the military for that matter? I'm genuinely curious.

[Flubber]

Flubber, don't bother. .

Ahh its no bother. I know a lot of people say a thread like this is someone only trolling but I con't care. Its fun to poke fun at a conspiracy theorist and whether real or troll doesn't matter to me. But then again I kinda enjoyed fighting kid about communism too so maybe I'm just a glutton for punishment

[HalfLotus]

that makes you such an expert on how the government operates? Or even the military for that matter? I'm genuinely curious.

Always projecting exaggerated claims onto me. Says something about the projector.

And again with the transparent "I'm genuine!". Quality trolling bro.