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[Asher]

*sigh*

Gigabyte made their bones by selling boards with more features for less than Asus did. How did they do it? Hint: it was not by putting better engineering and quality into them.

As for bling, that will depend on what you are buying. Yes, they do have basic models, with less bling, for cheaper than the equivalent Asus board.

What was it you have been trying to tell us about the company with the cheaper product?



Six. Out of several tens of millions, Statistical significance for $100, Alex?

But then again why should any of us take your word for it?

I've nothing to gain or lose. It's you that hawks these things for a living and makes various agreements with the companies we're talking about. Why should we trust you? As you yourself say, ASUS prices things higher than equivalently speced (and frankly, equivalent in quality) products. Does ASUS just bake in extra profit margin for you or something? There's reasons why every ****ing sleazy computer shop owner pushes ASUS like mad and puts up those massive tacky "ASUS: Rock Solid, Heart Touching" banners in their windows. They've got something going on with you guys, and I don't trust it.

And yes, you are very ****ing clever for pointing out that I must just be statistically ****ed and that's all. The problem is a cursory look at any of the popular enthusiast forums over the past few years and you'll see a definite shift towards Gigabyte from ASUS where quality is concerned. People have been getting burned by ASUS and not going back, and Gigabyte has been the net beneficiary. Even ASUS is running scared, they've been caught in embarrassing public incidents where they are lying outright about the capability of Gigabyte's products to try to downplay them.

Look at the financials. Gigabyte's revenues are going up, ASUS' revenues (and especially profits) are plummeting -- even as ASUS tries to diversify by shoving ****ty products in every market niche possible. Gigabyte does one main business and does it well, ASUS is stretched thin and ****ing themselves over in the process. Their sales are going down because people are having bad experiences with them -- whether it's with an EeePC that breaks after 8 months, a motherboard whose capacitors pop after a year, or a laptop whose cheap paint comes off within months of use.

[Asher]

All the mbd vendors are Taiwanese, you goof

The context of that post was explicitly "PC brands", you goof.

Asus has not made complete systems until relatively recently.

And it shows in the build quality and design of their products.

[notyoueither]

Look, this is clearly a matter of standards.

You consider a premium laptop to cost $700 and be made of cheap plastic.

I never said that, strawmanboy.

I said Asus is a premium brand.

You launched into this fruitless diversion by pointing out that Asus has PCs in the entry level marketspace. I was shocked! Shocked, I tell you!

This is as stupid as saying that any auto maker with a compact is not a vendor of luxury vehicles, but please feel free to continue chasing that tail. You might get close.

I consider a premium laptop to be something north of $1000 with solid build quality and not made out of cheap plastic.

ASUS is NOT a premium brand because they make cheap **** in addition to high-priced ****. You clearly are not aware of the concept of what a premium brand is. Ask Ming to explain it to you at some point, because you're not listening to me.

I'd also just like to say I'm mind-****ed by the concept of cheap "premium" entry-level PCs.

You have no idea what a premium brand is or means. You have demonstrated that thoroughly.

[notyoueither]

The context of that post was explicitly "PC brands", you goof.


And it shows in the build quality and design of their products.

What is the most important part of a PC, for $500, Alex?

[Asher]

I never said that, strawmanboy.

I said Asus is a premium brand.

Premium brands make premium products. Otherwise they're not premium brands. The distinction makes no sense.

You have no idea what a premium brand is or means. You have demonstrated that thoroughly.

You can't be serious.

You just tried telling me ASUS is a premium brand that just happens to make a ton of non-premium products.

[Asher]

What is the most important part of a PC, for $500, Alex?

CPU.

See how little you know about computers?

I doubt you even know which chip houses the memory controller on the new processors.



Motherboards are becoming increasingly useless aside from a piece of plastic that conducts the power and houses the memory bus and add-on cards. More and more stuff is being backed into the CPU -- integrated graphics, integrated memory controllers, PCI-express controllers, etc.

I would love to further lecture you on the basics of PCs but I need to go to bed now.

[notyoueither]

I've nothing to gain or lose. It's you that hawks these things for a living and makes various agreements with the companies we're talking about. Why should we trust you? As you yourself say, ASUS prices things higher than equivalently speced (and frankly, equivalent in quality) products. Does ASUS just bake in extra profit margin for you or something? There's reasons why every ****ing sleazy computer shop owner pushes ASUS like mad and puts up those massive tacky "ASUS: Rock Solid, Heart Touching" banners in their windows. They've got something going on with you guys, and I don't trust it.

Actually, neither do I, much.

Hardware is a wastelend. That is not where I make my dime these days.

You do have things to gain or lose though. You are the resident rocket scientist. It would not look good for you to be shown up on anything computer by anyone. Hense the wild flailing in this thread I suspect.

And yes, you are very ****ing clever for pointing out that I must just be statistically ****ed and that's all. The problem is a cursory look at any of the popular enthusiast forums over the past few years and you'll see a definite shift towards Gigabyte from ASUS where quality is concerned. People have been getting burned by ASUS and not going back, and Gigabyte has been the net beneficiary. Even ASUS is running scared, they've been caught in embarrassing public incidents where they are lying outright about the capability of Gigabyte's products to try to downplay them..

If you said EVGA you'd have an once of credibility, but you didn't, so...

[Asher]

EVGA makes fantastic video cards. Only company I'll buy from. Their motherboards are too new for me to make judgement on yet, but I'm eyeing them. They're a quality company.

You do have things to gain or lose though. You are the resident rocket scientist. It would not look good for you to be shown up on anything computer by anyone. Hense the wild flaiing in this thread I suspect.

There's no wild flailing going on in this thread. It's a pretty direct beat-down on you.

Even people who know ****-all about computers would probably laugh at your concepts of what define premium brands. The BMW example you cited was just epic, also.

[notyoueither]

CPU.

See how little you know about computers?

I doubt you even know which chip houses the memory controller on the new processors.



Motherboards are becoming increasingly useless aside from a piece of plastic that conducts the power and houses the memory bus and add-on cards. More and more stuff is being backed into the CPU -- integrated graphics, integrated memory controllers, PCI-express controllers, etc.

I would love to further lecture you on the basics of PCs but I need to go to bed now.

You have just demonstrated why you know **** all about the subject.

[notyoueither]

Good night.

[Asher]

You have just demonstrated why you know **** all about the subject.

This will be much fun tomorrow. We'll start a thread in the technology forum where you'll explain to us why a PCB that houses harddrive controllers is more important than the chip which houses the CPU, graphics chip, memory controller, and PCI-express controller.

That should be a continuation of this very enlightening thread.

You should start another thread (one Ming and other people with an eye towards marketing may read) lecturing people on the concept of premium brands you have...

[Saras]

You have to lay off the vodka, Balt.

Did that. Now I only drink scotch

[Saras]

Run, instead.

Can't be arsed, plus have a torn ligament in left knee. It's not prohibited, but not 100% safe either.

[TCO]

Asher:

Should I just go whole hog and get the MBP or Dell XPS (never heard of it, but had a couple Dells...they had their issues...but I'm just sorta used to Dell) or one of the other ones you mentioned?

[TCO]

NYE:

Stop it. You're just being a palooka, running your head into Asher's cyber fist.