A Music Thread

[Asher]

I'm aware Girl with One Eye is a cover -- she was toured with the band (a punk band called V-something?) and that band never recorded the song, they only played it live. She sang in the song with them, but eventually worked it into her set list as well as a full-blown cover.

I'm fine with covers, especially those that change up the song substantially or add their own style/take on it (like The XX does). I just don't appreciate how hip hop songs just sample other music for the hooks. It's lazy, not artistic.

[Al B. Sure!]

**** you.

thoth comes in here and starts something with me and I defend myself and get called the bad guy.

I just don't appreciate how hip hop songs just sample other music for the hooks. It's lazy, not artistic.

They write lyrics for the rest of the song. How is that lazy? That's the other thing with AAHZ music, though. Since he cares nothing about lyrics, his Southern music becomes stale and uncreative.

[Asher]

They write lyrics for the rest of the song. How is that lazy? That's the other thing with AAHZ music, though. Since he cares nothing about lyrics, his Southern music becomes stale and uncreative.

Because they can't write their own hooks or chorus. They write lyrics, sure, but seldom are they very intelligent or deep. And they just kind of mindlessly rap them to the beat.

[Al B. Sure!]

Because they can't write their own hooks or chorus. They write lyrics, sure, but seldom are they very intelligent or deep. And they just kind of mindlessly rap them to the beat.

It depends who you're considering. Anything AAHZ posts and the lyrics are downright retarded. That's one of the reasons why I was trumpeting the emergence of more versatile topics than guns, drugs, and women which is all AAHZ's rappers rap about.

And most rap hooks are rapped, not sung or sampled. It's only the mainstream singles that usually get this treatment for crossover appeal. It's kind of formulaic but it's how it goes... you want to show up on the Pop Charts, you need a sung hook.

[C0ckney]

yay! been waiting for years for someone to put this up



the herbaliser feat. what what - new & improved

and now for something completely different...



e craig - dutch drum attack (mr bishi remix)

[C0ckney]

throbbing gristle - hot on the heels of love



throbbing gristle - six six sixties

[Nostromo]

asher, there's nothing wrong with sampling. there is something brilliant and very creative in taking the work of someone else and taking it in a completely different direction. of course a lot of it is done badly, and in a boring and unoriginal way. see for example a lot of the stuff that albert posts, but anything can be done badly and it doesn't invalidate the work of people doing it well. avio posted a track by an australian band called the avalanches a couple of pages back, they did a whole album (called since i left you) which was pretty much all sampled. it was a work of genius, although there was no follow up, because the band made no money (due to sampling fees, not lack of sales).

Exactly. Here's an example of poor use of sampling. Jay-Z sampling the whole song and rapping over it.





But some producers take samples and create something new with it. Here Amon Tobin takes a Mussorgsky sample and creates something new with it



DJ Shadow on the art of digging:



And I believe there's sampling of sorts in non electronic music. People copy each other all the time. Sometimes its conscious, sometimes its not. You hear something you like in someone else's song and you put in one of yours. For example, there's a Kraftwerk motif in a Coldplay song. I believe they asked Kraftwerk's permission for doing so.

[Al B. Sure!]

But I guess no one cares that Whitesnake 'stole' Bobby Bland's song as well. Oh, I know. Because rockers singing the same song is CREATIVE but rappers coming up with new lyrics is not

[Nostromo]

Read my last sentence.

And I never said that all or most hip hip producers steal songs and rap over it. That's why I inserted the clip about DJ Shadow.

[Al B. Sure!]

Read my last sentence.

And I never said that all or most hip hip producers steal songs and rap over it. That's why I inserted the clip about DJ Shadow.

None of that was in your original unedited post that I responded to. You edited it a full 20 minutes AFTER I responded.

Most don't 'steal'. Sample clearing is a big deal for retail hip hop releases. Songs often have to be re-done or not put on albums because samples didn't clear.

[Asher]

Have they considered writing their own music instead of 'sampling'?

[ZEE]

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[Al B. Sure!]

Have they considered writing their own music instead of 'sampling'?

Is your beef with rappers or with DJ's/Producers?

[Al B. Sure!]

Here, Asher... rappers with bands:






And I showed Lauryn Hill plays the guitar, Wyclef does as well:

[Al B. Sure!]

yay! been waiting for years for someone to put this up

What the ****? You just put up rap! YOU MAKE NO ****ING SENSE!

Here's some Jazzmatazz from the late Guru:


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Guru made 4 Jazzmatazz albums:

The first one:

This album is one of the first albums to combine a live jazz band with hip hop production and rapping. It is the first such project to feature established rappers. Live backing is provided by a band that includes Lonnie Liston Smith, Branford Marsalis, Ronny Jordan, Donald Byrd and Roy Ayers. The album also features collaborations with N'Dea Davenport (of the Brand New Heavies) and French rapper MC Solaar.