Healthcare Reform Thread II

[Drake Tungsten]

My interpretation is perfectly logical. The Republican Party of today is directly descended from the Republican Party of the 1860's; it's the same party. The Republican Party is nothing like the Conservative Party of Canada, for instance, which shares a name with the Conservative Party of the late 19th century but is actually a new and different party.

[Theben]

My interpretation is perfectly logical.

Yes, it is. And Fun's comment makes sense within context. Although reading back I now see there was no point to his comment so I'll leave it there.

[MrFun]

Your original statement was in response to someone rightly pointing out that the Republican Party ended slavery in America. If you didn't disagree with that statement, why did you feel the need to claim that today's Republican party is "a different party" from the Republican party of 1865?

Because I wanted to point out that the Republican party began losing interest in social issues regarding race and justice by the 1870s and turned its focus on big business and aggressive foreign policy later.

I did not mean to claim that as a result, the Republican party today would support slavery. Geez.

[MrFun]

Yes, it is. And Fun's comment makes sense within context.

Someone who understands the idea of context.

[Hauldren Collider]

Because I wanted to point out that the Republican party began losing interest in social issues regarding race and justice by the 1870s and turned its focus on big business and aggressive foreign policy later.

I did not mean to claim that as a result, the Republican party today would support slavery. Geez.

The republicans did not lose faith in social issues. The democrats were never the party of racial equality until LBJ. Nowadays, the republican party merely does not support affirmative action. A very strong logical case can be made that affirmative action itself is actually racist. Additionally, Republicans never supported agressive foreign policy until Reagan because Jimmy Carter spent his entire presidency being a goddamned *****.

Also you should note that in my post I actually admitted that political ideologies have shifted over the years and that the shifts (in my opinion) are irrelevant.

[DaShi]

The republicans did not lose faith in social issues. The democrats were never the party of racial equality until LBJ. Nowadays, the republican party merely does not support affirmative action. A very strong logical case can be made that affirmative action itself is actually racist. Additionally, Republicans never supported agressive foreign policy until Reagan because Jimmy Carter spent his entire presidency being a goddamned *****.

They didn't support civil rights either and Gingrich lends credence that they still don't.

[Hauldren Collider]

Um, no he doesn't.
Gingrich
Dixiecrats didn't support civil rights. After the civil rights movement, the Dixiecrats decided to become Republicans. There is not a single Republican whose opinion matters that thinks civil rights should not be supported.

[-Jrabbit]

There is not a single Republican whose opinion matters that thinks civil rights should not be supported.

Talk about winning by definition!
Good one.

[MrFun]

There is a significant number of Republicans whose opinion DOES matter, who clearly oppose civil rights protection for gays.

[Hauldren Collider]

c.f. Pat Robertson. Republican whose opinion does not matter.

Now that Strom Thurmond (former Dixiecrat) is dead, I'm fairly sure there isn't an openly racist republican in any federal elected office. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm talking about racial equality, not homophobia.

[Kidlicious]

And that sums up the march of the progressives for the past two hundred years.

That sums up a whole lot of philosophical thought going all the way back to the ancients.

[MrFun]

c.f. Pat Robertson. Republican whose opinion does not matter.

Now that Strom Thurmond (former Dixiecrat) is dead, I'm fairly sure there isn't an openly racist republican in any federal elected office. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm talking about racial equality, not homophobia.

We are talking about civil rights, which includes all different groups of people, including gays.

[Kidlicious]

c.f. Pat Robertson. Republican whose opinion does not matter.

Now that Strom Thurmond (former Dixiecrat) is dead, I'm fairly sure there isn't an openly racist republican in any federal elected office. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm talking about racial equality, not homophobia.

What does the idea of openness have to do with lying politicians?

[Drake Tungsten]

Now that Strom Thurmond (former Dixiecrat) is dead, I'm fairly sure there isn't an openly racist republican in any federal elected office. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

And once Robert Byrd is gone, there won't be any openly racist politicians left in Congress.

[-Jrabbit]

Gee, and it's only 2010.