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  • When President Obama signed his health-care reform last month, he declared it will "lower costs for families and for businesses and for the federal government." So why, barely a month later, are Democrats scrambling to pass a new bill that would impose price controls on insurance?

    In now-they-tell-us hearings on Tuesday, the Senate health committee debated a bill that would give states the power to reject premium increases that state regulators determine are "unreasonable." The White House proposed this just before the final Obama- Care scramble, but it couldn't be included because it violated the procedural rules that Democrats abused to pass the bill.

    Some 27 states currently have some form of rate review in the individual and small-business markets, but they generally don't leverage it in a political way because insolvent insurers are expensive for states and bankruptcies limit consumer choices. One exception is Massachusetts: Governor Deval Patrick is now using this regulatory power to create de facto price controls and assail the state's insurers as cover for the explosive costs resulting from the ObamaCare prototype the Bay State passed in 2006.

    National Democrats now want the power to do the same across the country, because they know how unrealistic their cost-control claims really are. Democrats are petrified they'll get the blame they deserve when insurance costs inevitably spike. So the purpose of this latest Senate bill is to have a pre-emptive political response on hand.



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    • Massachusetts
      Price control
      Wage control
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      • Drake DLs
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." -- Frédéric Bastiat
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          • I'm honestly flattered that everyone thinks I'm Drake's DL, actually.
            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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            • Who said you are a Drake DL?
              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
              "Capitalism ho!"

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              • Being accused of being my DL is a compliment.

                I'm honestly flattered that everyone thinks I'm Drake's DL, actually.



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                • I wouldn't be flattered if someone accused HC of being my DL.
                  “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                  "Capitalism ho!"

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                  • It'll never happen. There's no way someone as irrational as you could be as good at electronics and computer science as me.
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                    • Aw!
                      “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                      "Capitalism ho!"

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                      • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        I'm honestly flattered that everyone thinks I'm Drake's DL, actually.
                        It's pretty disappointing that you aren't

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                        • I'll never be able to live up to your expectations will I
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                          • We still do not know how this story ends. We could be at the beginning of a new, six-month chapter with voters growing more invested in the country’s current course and shifting their thinking about the issues and stakes. Or we could be locked into this current chapter as a final one full of angry citizens determined to cast their votes against Washington, the elites, Democrats and government. There is some evidence the former is possible, if the president and Democrats throw themselves behind emergent trends, though there is even more evidence for the latter ending.

                            Health care’s passage did not produce even a point rise in the president’s approval rating or affection for the Democratic Congress. Virtually every key tracking measure in April’s poll has remained unchanged, including the Democrats’ continued weakness on handling of the economy. Both parties are equally reviled, reflected in their lowest ratings in history, while voters want to punish those in power – for the partisan bickering, bailing out the undeserving, government spending, the deficit, and the endless gridlock over health care while people struggled to survive the jobs crisis. With independents even more conservative and Republican-leaning in this survey, the congressional battle in 2010 looks like a dead-heat at best – a 12-point swing in this poll from 2008.



                            We still do not know how this story ends.  We could be at the beginning of a new, six-month chapter with voters growing more invested in the country&#0 ...
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                            • CBO ups health care cost projections

                              Congressional Budget Office estimates released Tuesday predict the health care overhaul will likely cost about $115 billion more in discretionary spending over ten years than the original cost projections.

                              The additional spending — if approved over the years by Congress — would bring the total estimated cost of the overhaul to about $1 trillion.

                              The Congressional Budget Office expects the federal agencies to spend $10 billion to $20 billion over 10 years on administrative costs to implement the overhaul. The CBO expects Congress to spend an additional $105 billion over 10 years to fund discretionary programs in the overhaul.





                              Remember that, thanks to the Democrats gaming the numbers, the CBO projected that healthcare reform would save $138 billion over its first ten years. All but $23 billion of that projected savings is now gone, and that's before the doc fix is enacted and adds a projected $276 billion to the federal deficit. It sure didn't take long for reality to disprove the lie that healthcare reform would help the federal government's fiscal position...
                              Last edited by Drake Tungsten; May 11, 2010, 19:04. Reason: Found a more recent CBO projection of the doc fix cost.
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                              • Hopefully it's just that much easier to repeal then.

                                My prediction (which I know counts for almost nothing) is that just before it takes effect, a lot of large businesses will point out to the federal government that they will have to fire loads of workers/drop healthcare support/expand overseas/etc because of the law and (I think) congress isn't quite stupid enough to let that happen.
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