Not Trolling Zaku-Illegal Immigration

[Dinner]

The 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified illegal immigrants from nearly all means-tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization. The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended.

http://redblueamerica.com/truthornot/2008-04-03/do-illegal-immigrants-receive-more-government-benefits-they-pay-taxes-2300

Everyone has to prove they're a citizen before getting any means tested welfare assistance (that is to say virtually all programs). K-12 education for children is just about the only large expense and that goes to paying for US citizen children to attend public schools which you cannot legally deny to any child. That's it. So please stop with the retarded claims about illegals sucking the welfare system dry because they're just not factually correct. Not even remotely.

[Docfeelgood]

They are not eliligible for medicaid if that's what you're talking about. I believe you are conflating to hospital emergency rooms which legally can not turn anyone away for any reason for care of immediate life threatening conditions. That is hardly welfare though and if the person isn't in immediate risk of dying in the next few minutes then the hospital can tell them to take a hike. They're certainly not getting vast amounts of decent medical coverage; not in any sense of the word.

It is perpetuated by ignorant dumb asses like yourself who don't know a damn thing about what they are talking about.

[Dinner]

Why erase the "talking about" part of that sentence?

[Darius871]

They are not eliligible for medicaid if that's what you're talking about. I believe you are conflating to hospital emergency rooms which legally can not turn anyone away for any reason for care of immediate life threatening conditions. That is hardly welfare though and if the person isn't in immediate risk of dying in the next few minutes then the hospital can tell them to take a hike. They're certainly not getting vast amounts of decent medical coverage; not in any sense of the word.

I can't imagine how "emergency medical care" implies anything about normal Medicaid recipients. The question was not welfare programs, but rather illegals getting "public assistance," and I fail to see how EMTALA freebies at a public hospital are anything but public assistance. Of course they can turn away people with mild chronic problems, but a frequent result of that is the person coming back when the chronic problem has ultimately developed into an emergency, which is often more costly to deal with. How many hundreds of millions of dollars would qualify as "vast" in your view?

[Docfeelgood]

In August, illegals collected over $19 million in welfare assistance and over $17 million in monthly food stamp allocations, for a projected annual cost of $432 million. Nearly twenty five percent of all welfare and food stamps benefits is going directly to the children of illegal aliens.

from a web page just LA county

Indeed, food stamp recipients do not have to prove immigration status as per Department of Agriculture guidelines. In fact, they say that states distributing the assistance must comply with the provision of the federal Privacy Act which says states are prohibited from denying an individual any right, benefit or privilege because of an individual’s refusal to disclose his or her social security number.

[SlowwHand]

Which is bull****.

[zakubandit]

Too true.

Before I left the US and after my wife and I were out of the Army my son got an ear infection really bad, we were in Texas with my parents at the time. So since there was no VA hospital or military post *VA benefits and after separation you still get covered from 120 days* so we had to go to a free clinic. As soon as I stepped in that clinic waiting room there wasn't a white face in the room except the nurse at the sign in counter. All of the people waiting were Hispanic, until we left when an elderly black couple came in, that guy was in rough shape. When we were finally taken in back *about an hour wait* we sat at a bed for another hour while the doctor was going from bed to bed to administer treatment. The couple next to us was a young guy, couldn't be more than 18, full of tattoos from neck down *his shirt was off and he had a few scars all over the abdomen* and the dock was checking his ribs. Neither him nor the older lady *I assumed his mother* spoke any English. My wife was telling me what they were saying in Spanish until a nurse came to help the doctor *obviously we didn't want to get into someone Else's business so she didn't offer to translate* but the kid had fallen off a truck and his chest was in pain.

The point is, it was a free clinic, and yea like was said hospital don't turn people away. I am not saying everyone there wasn't legal, but you'd think that between 2 Hispanics of varying age that at least one would speak some English if they have been in the US long enough. That isn't always the case, trust me I know my wife's grandmother has been in the US from Nicaragua for 15 years and doesn't speak a lick of English. But the fact that illegals get medical regardless of status is unsettling, not wrong just unsettling. It means that regardless if they can pay or even belong in the US they can still survive. Like Doc said, they can get food stamps without proof they are legal, and even if they have absolutely nothing left there are always shelters that take people in. And yea, cartels love the impoverish peoples because they are the perfect source of dealers. And who turns down making quick cash just for selling some drugs if they haven't had a square meal and a shower in months?

The point about fining the companies to the point of its cheaper to be legal shouldn't even be part of the issue, but its right. Doing things legal should be first choice, but since it isn't...yea, jail time for hiring manager, jail time for his manager, fines all across the board for the company and anyone who had knowledge or proven knowledge of the illegals status. Make it so that if you help them keep this job that you will pay for it and lucky to find another job. That right there would affect hiring managers, if they get a nice stamp on their records that they are known for hiring illegals or conducting illegal operations *like child molesters get put on their lists* so that companies know not to hire them.

[zakubandit]

Network in my office is being gay today. Sorry for the double post.

[Sprayber]

Network in my office is being gay today. Sorry for the double post.

****, even office equipment is going gay.

[zakubandit]

****, even office equipment is going gay.

Equal rights for ALL nouns.

[DaShi]

I can't imagine how "emergency medical care" implies anything about normal Medicaid recipients. The question was not welfare programs, but rather illegals getting "public assistance," and I fail to see how EMTALA freebies at a public hospital are anything but public assistance. Of course they can turn away people with mild chronic problems, but a frequent result of that is the person coming back when the chronic problem has ultimately developed into an emergency, which is often more costly to deal with. How many hundreds of millions of dollars would qualify as "vast" in your view?

Ok, since we've descended into the realm of anecdotes about "how many wetbacks I've seen at walmart," can anyone provide some numbers on the costs of illegal immigrants in health care?

[Solomwi]

Hey mr. librul dashi you ever lose a job to a Mexican illegal immigrant? If you did you'd know that's the only cost that matters: yur yob.

[SlowwHand]

Illegals are illegal. Why don't you argue for burgulars rights?

[Heraclitus]

Its naive to think that no company will hire ilegal immigrants, I can't really see this strategy working,

[Dinner]

Hey mr. librul dashi you ever lose a job to a Mexican illegal immigrant? If you did you'd know that's the only cost that matters: yur yob.

Your average wet back can't read much less qualify for an advanced science job like I have. They just don't qualify to compete against people of my education. I freely admit that I enjoy the lower prices illegals provide; everything from food, to lawn care, to basic services. Their cheap labor makes my life much better. Further more no matter how much DF claims that brown people are at public heath clinics he cannot prove that they are illegal. It is virtually impossible for illegals to get welfare in the US. He's nothing but a racist bigot. I say that as a white man who lives right on the Mexican border and who has see bigots like him many, many times before.

That's what he won't admit. That illegals don't get welfare and instead he is reduced to claiming he sees brown people as if all brown people are illegals. He's a racist ****bag.