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    The White House is replacing workplace raids and roundups of workers by immigration authorities with a less confrontational approach to employers such as American Apparel.


    July 3, 2009
    U.S. Shifts Strategy on Illicit Work by Immigrants By JULIA PRESTON
    Immigration authorities had bad news this week for American Apparel, the T-shirt maker based in downtown Los Angeles: About 1,800 of its employees appeared to be illegal immigrants not authorized to work in the United States.

    But in contrast to the high-profile raids that marked the enforcement approach of the Bush administration, no federal agents with criminal warrants stormed the company’s factories and rounded up employees. Instead, the federal immigration agency sent American Apparel a written notice that it faced civil fines and would have to fire any workers confirmed to be unauthorized.

    The treatment of American Apparel, which has more than 5,600 factory employees in Los Angeles alone, is the most prominent demonstration of a new strategy by the Obama administration to curb the employment of illegal immigrants by focusing on employers who hire them — and doing so in a less confrontational manner than in years past.

    Unlike the approach of the Bush administration, which brought criminal charges in its final two years against many illegal immigrant workers, the new effort makes broader use of fines and other civil sanctions, federal officials said Thursday.

    Federal agents will concentrate on businesses employing large numbers of workers suspected of being illegal immigrants, the officials said, and will reserve tough criminal charges mostly for employers who serially hire illegal immigrants and engage in wage and labor violations.

    “These actions underscore our commitment to targeting employers that cultivate illegal work forces by knowingly hiring and exploiting illegal workers,” said Matt Chandler, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.

    On Wednesday, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the federal agency known as ICE, said it had sent notices announcing audits of hiring records, like the one it conducted at American Apparel, to 652 other companies across the country. Officials said they were picking up the pace of such audits, after performing 503 of them in 2008.

    The names of other companies that received notices have not been made public. American Apparel became a window into the new enforcement tactics because, as a publicly traded company, it issued a required notice on Wednesday about the hiring audit.

    The Obama administration’s new approach, unveiled in April, seems to be moving away from the raids that advocates for immigrants said had split families, disrupted businesses and traumatized communities. But the outcome will still be difficult for illegal workers, who will lose their jobs and could face deportation, the advocates said.

    Immigration officials have not made clear how they intend to deal with workers who are unable to prove their legal immigration status in the course of inspections, but they said there was no moratorium on deportations.

    Executives at American Apparel were both relieved and dismayed after receiving the warning from the immigration agency of discrepancies in the hiring documents of about one-third of its Los Angeles work force. The company has 30 days to dispute the agency’s claims and give immigrant employees time to prove that they are authorized to work in the United States, immigration officials said. If they cannot, the company must fire them, probably within two months.

    But no criminal charges were lodged against the company and no workers have been arrested, American Apparel executives and immigration officials said.

    The fines followed discussions over 18 months between federal officials and American Apparel, after immigration agents first inspected the company’s files in January 2008, said Peter Schey, an immigration lawyer representing the company. Mr. Schey said a raid had been averted because the company cooperated with the audit and because immigration agents had not found any labor abuses.

    “There is no evidence of any exploitation of workers or violation of labor laws,” he said. “And there is not a single allegation that the company knowingly hired an undocumented worker.”

    American Apparel and its outspoken chief executive, Dov Charney, have waged a campaign, emblazoned on T-shirts sold across the country, criticizing the immigration crackdown of recent years and calling on Congress to “Legalize L.A.” by granting legal status to illegal immigrants.

    Most garment workers in American Apparel’s huge shop in Los Angeles work directly for the company, not for subcontractors, its records show. They earn at least $10 to $12 an hour, well above minimum wage, and receive health benefits.

    At a news conference last year, Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa of Los Angeles publicly lauded Mr. Charney for helping the city with its faltering economy by providing “the dream of a steady paycheck and good benefits for countless workers.”

    While it has been no secret that American Apparel’s largely Latino work force probably included many illegal immigrants, Mr. Schey said the company had been careful to meet legal hiring requirements. Many illegal immigrants use convincingly forged Social Security cards or other fake documents when seeking work.

    In a statement, Mr. Charney said that many of his workers cited by the immigration agency were “responsible, hard-working employees” who had been with the company for more than a decade. Mr. Charney, an immigrant from Canada, said he hoped they would be able to prove their legal status. But because of the recession, the company said, it will not be hurt financially if it has to replace them.

    Mr. Schey said the hiring audit at American Apparel had been “professionally done.” By contrast, Mr. Schey has brought more than 100 damage claims against the immigration agency on behalf of American citizens who said they were illegally arrested last year in Los Angeles in an immigration raid at a different company, Micro Solutions Enterprises.

    Immigration officials, who asked not to be identified because the case is continuing, said the fines to American Apparel so far were about $150,000.

    Kelly A. Nantel, a spokeswoman for the immigration agency, said it had taken steps to limit negotiations with employers that in the past had resulted in steep reductions in fines the employers ultimately paid.

    Representative Brian P. Bilbray, a California Republican who heads an immigration caucus in the House, said the amount of the fines was crucial.

    “If this is a truly conscientious effort to get tough with employers to say the days are over of profiteering with illegal immigrants, that’s fine,” said Mr. Bilbray, who opposes any effort to give legal status to illegal immigrants. “But if the fine will be so low that it’s just part of doing business, there’s no deterrent.”

    Angelica Salas, the executive director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, an advocacy group, said she welcomed the end to “showboat enforcement raids.” But in the end, Ms. Salas said, “there is still enforcement of laws that are broken,” adding, “The workers will still lose their jobs.”
    The short of it is that Obama is tackling the illegal immigration problem by getting to the heart of the matter: the companies that hire illegal immigrants.

    So why has this approach taken so long?

    1. Was it Bush and the Republicans trying to protect companies with illegal immigrants and only performing a few raids for show?
    -if so, why didn't the democrats push for action against companies hiring illegal immigrants during the beginning of their rise to power in Bush's second term?

    2. Were corporate interests blocking such moves? Where are the interests now?
    -Will there be a corporate backlash against the Obama administration for this?

    Finally, is this approach enough, too much, or too little? Are the fines just a slap on the wrist? Another show for a different audience?
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

  • #2
    Stop your not-trolling
    Blah

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    • #3
      DaShi, I am curious about what you think about this...say they find illegals in these companies, they get fired, but then what? They just got themselves illegals, but willing they actually be deported like they should be or will they be let go to just repeat the process?

      Not trying to start an argument, I am seriously confused about what the whole process is that they are going to take if they find illegals.
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      • #4
        They won't be able to find work, if there are no companies who will hire them. Thus, one of the major incentives of crossing the border in the first place will be gone.
        “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
        "Capitalism ho!"

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        • #5
          So what, the hope is they get sick of not finding work and just leave on their own? I mean, yea it makes sense, but there will always be underground work for them in small companies, farms, docks, or other shady type businesses. It is a good start though.

          Both parties made too many mistakes over this issue for too long, both sides should have been doing more about this even during Bush senior's days and we wouldn't have to worry so much about it now.

          *Sucks for all the workers that got here by freight containers, only places left to turn to are illegally get to another country. Imagine Mexico yelling at America about forcing illegals to go there, that would be the day.
          "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
          "I can merely plead that I'm in the presence of a superior being."- KrazyHorse

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          • #6
            If I weren't able to find legitimate work, I'd take up illegitimate work. You're better off selling drugs in the US than just about anything in Mexico.
            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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            • #7
              The fines are nothing. $150,000 for knowingly employing thousands of illegal workers? If the illegals just save them $1 per hour (and we know that in reality it saves them much, much more then that) then they'll make up the $150k in just a month or two. This is the usual situation and employers won't stop until the fines become so large that they bankrupt companies so that it is cheaper for them to do things legally then illegally.
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              • #8
                Put the hiring manager on the deportation bus with the illegals.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                  They won't be able to find work, if there are no companies who will hire them. Thus, one of the major incentives of crossing the border in the first place will be gone.
                  still got public assistance.

                  This reply is for all others.
                  dashi can't see.

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                  • #10
                    Illegals get very little public assistance. Virtually none.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      Illegals get very little public assistance. Virtually none.
                      Not true.

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                      • #12
                        Food aid for children is about it. For actual welfare you have to prove citizenship or legal residency plus most illegals don't want the government knowing they're there or where they live.

                        Of course there is also childhood immunization programs but that's just common sense since no health professional would want an underclass of unimmunized people who could act as a reservoir for disease.

                        BTW most of the children are US citizens and that's why they qualify for food aid. There is virtually no actual welfare payments to illegals and the only program I can think of is the food aid for nursing mothers program.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                          Food aid for children is about it. For actual welfare you have to prove citizenship or legal residency plus most illegals don't want the government knowing they're there or where they live.

                          Of course there is also childhood immunization programs but that's just common sense since no health professional would want an underclass of unimmunized people who could act as a reservoir for disease.

                          BTW most of the children are US citizens and that's why they qualify for food aid. There is virtually no actual welfare payments to illegals and the only program I can think of is the food aid for nursing mothers program.

                          You're leaving out emergency medical care, which is a big one.
                          Unbelievable!

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                          • #14
                            Hell, the 1996 welfare reform act prohibits public assistance to illegals and even prohibits public assistance to legal immigrants unless they've been in the country for at least 5 years continuously. Even then legal immigrants are subject to the same two year life time maximum limit that citizens are.

                            The myth that there are a significant number of illegal aliens getting a free ride is just that... A myth. It is perpetuated by ignorant dumb asses like yourself who don't know a damn thing about what they are talking about.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                              You're leaving out emergency medical care, which is a big one.
                              They are not eliligible for medicaid if that's what you're talking about. I believe you are conflating to hospital emergency rooms which legally can not turn anyone away for any reason for care of immediate life threatening conditions. That is hardly welfare though and if the person isn't in immediate risk of dying in the next few minutes then the hospital can tell them to take a hike. They're certainly not getting vast amounts of decent medical coverage; not in any sense of the word.
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