Why we have Gay Pride

[Dis]

I support gay rights. I encourage more men to be gay.

But at some point I have to figure out what they want to accomplish. If it's the desire to act how they want without fear of consequence, then I fully support that. A man (or woman) should not be expected to act a certain way to meet society's expectations. I can relate to that because my friends and family keep pestering me to get a gf when I don't want one. And no, I'm not gay. The only reason I wanted one in the past is to please them. The same goes with gays, they should not have to act "straight" just to exist in this society. If a guy wants to act totally flaming in public, that's his right. But by the same token, you can't act that way at work. Just like I can't be overly sexual at work. You are expected to conduct yourself in a neutral way if you work around the public (or women)


But if they want to push for more homosexual characters in movies, tv, and advertisements I gotta say they are out of touch. The media will go with what sells. There are many demographics not represented (those over 65 etc.), not juts gays. So don't expect movies to be putting gay sex scenes in. The public doesn't want it. I think some gays want the public to want to see gay sex, and that will never happen. Face it, you are a minority and will always be this way. You can't expect the public to see something that isn't pleasing to the eye. And don't be expecting to "recruit" any more. The condition is dictated by biology/genetics. It's not a choice, and you won't be converting any.

[Japher]

A man (or woman) should not be expected to act a certain way to meet society's expectations.

If a guy wants to act totally flaming in public, that's his right.

I thinks it is a juvenile expectation for anyone, of any orientation, to believe that their own actions will not solicit specific responses. If you are going to be act like a flamer or a streetbanger or a snooty yuppity snob than fine, just expect people to respond to you as one. If you don't like how they are responding to you, than maybe you should behave differently. These behaviors, unlike a race or sexual orientation, is a choice and is not something I need to tolerate or respect because 'that's how I roll'.

[Zkribbler]

There isn't anything to be proud of because of that particular attribute...

On the other hand, there's nothing to be ashamed of either. ...which is the whole point of having "gay pride" parades [as Mr. Fun explained above].

Maybe "gay pride parade" is a bit of a misnomer. To be more accurate, they should be called "gay don't-be-ashamed parades," but that's awfully wordy.

[MrFun]

There isn't anything to be proud of because of that particular attribute. I believe that is the point. A person should really have other things in their lives that they celebrate and be proud of. Be proud of your contributions, of the people you influence, or pretty much anything besides I **** women or I **** men.

I will restate what I said earlier for you.

Gays and lesbians have constantly been made to feel ashamed because they are gay or lesbian. As a flaming hetero, you've never experienced this so you really don't know what you're talking about.

So I take it that you and Japher want to close down places like Hooters if you are disgusted with "flaunting one's sexuality?"

[Dis]

Hooters is paying tribute to owls. Think of how many endangered owls the business has helped out.

A strip club is a better example.

[MrFun]

Yep - time for heteros to shut down their strip clubs too. Japher does not like it when people have a good time.

[BeBMan]

Why don't you start a threadi about the India thing instead of forcing straight people to shut down clubs

[Solomwi]

Dan, mardi gras in NO turns into ugly girls flashing their titties and guys punching each other's faces in over absolutely nothing.

I'll take a little well-oiled man meat over that any day of the week.

"I'll take a little well-oiled man meat over that any day of the week. - KrazyHorse, on topless women and gratuitous violence

Sig material.

[Solomwi]

I will restate what I said earlier for you.

Gays and lesbians have constantly been made to feel ashamed because they are gay or lesbian. As a flaming hetero, you've never experienced this so you really don't know what you're talking about.

So I take it that you and Japher want to close down places like Hooters if you are disgusted with "flaunting one's sexuality?"

To say Hooters is a flaunting of heterosexuality is to start from a heterocentric presumption. I'm surprised at you, MrFun. Hooters celebrates the female body, and invites men and women alike to join in the celebration.

[rah]

Hooters isn't flaunting hetero sexuality.
A man walking down the street with his 12 children is. Of course after 5 or 6 the guy isn't bragging anymore. Or smiling.

[Docfeelgood]

I will restate what I said earlier for you.

Gays and lesbians have constantly been made to feel ashamed because they are gay or lesbian. As a flaming hetero, you've never experienced this so you really don't know what you're talking about.

So I take it that you and Japher want to close down places like Hooters if you are disgusted with "flaunting one's sexuality?"

But the norm is to be hetero.

[Japher]

So I take it that you and Japher want to close down places like Hooters if you are disgusted with "flaunting one's sexuality?"

I never said to stop the parades. All I said is that I lose respect for homosexuals when I see those parades, which as you point out is probably the minority of the idiots being shown. Some big breasted bimbo slinging chicken wings isn't going to earn my respect either, but I wouldn't shut it down. Still, I don't see Hooter girls making demands of the public at large that I accept them as they are or as they perceive themselves to be, rather they accept the fact that because the dress and behave the way they do that they will be treated a certain way. If you're not going to take yourself seriously don't expect other people to.

It is really a misfortune that in the gay community a small minority (according to MrFun) confuse "pride" with "acting stupid".

[MrFun]

To say Hooters is a flaunting of heterosexuality is to start from a heterocentric presumption. I'm surprised at you, MrFun. Hooters celebrates the female body, and invites men and women alike to join in the celebration.

Yes - it invites women AND men to flaunt their heterosexuality.

[Imran Siddiqui]

What about lesbians?

[MrFun]

Women = straight women or lesbians. But do you think very many lesbians go to Hooters?