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  • #136
    Originally posted by MrFun View Post
    Spewing out needless, unwarranted insults will not win people over to your "arguments."
    Abortions can be required, after 28 weeks, hence late term abortions should be legal.

    Abortions earlier than 22 weeks should be legal due to economic and health reasons.

    Stuff in the middle is legalistic nightmare, but it has to be legal to abort due to health reasons.

    GTFO.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    • #137
      Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
      Hey, you wallow in your logically inconsistant fantasy world all you want, it seems to be where you abortion opinion is derived from anyway. Enjoy!
      You are happy because you think you trolled me...go back to post 69 and see who just trolled the thread.

      GTFO.
      You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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      • #138
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        Black 'americans' didn't used to be considered 'Americans' either as they weren't considered to be citizens. They weren't even considered persons.
        Yeah. And then we changed the Constitution. There is no legal basis to consider a fetus an American deserving of an American's rights. In fact, since fetuses have a prevalence for attacking poor people and minorities, I think it would be legal to classify them as terrorist enemy combatants.
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        • #139
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          So someone who is disabled who can't fend for themselves isn't a person? That's an eye-opener Ming.
          Yeah... you again trying to change the subject by bringing up disabled people... what an eye opener.
          Keep on Civin'
          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • #140
            Unfortunately, competant medical services had nothing to do with your birth Patty. Guynemer already shot down why true late term abortions are necessary, and he is a ****ing pediatrician. I shot down why Kansas is retarded.
            Actually, no he didnt. Absolutely nothing Guymeyer said is in any was contradictory to my position. You will note I asked Guymeyer's opinion to more consistantly apply my standards.

            I am pretty sure he is of the opinion that even if a fetus is developed to the point of being considered human he would pick the life of the mother over the child if a choice is required, which isn't exaclty in oppostion to my position either unless he always picks the mother as a matter of doctrine. However, he hasn't said that yet.

            So, why don't you actually provide a real arguement instead of just flapping around in faux disgust over a logical statment that simply hit too close to home for you to deal with
            Last edited by Patroklos; June 2, 2009, 15:24.
            "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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            • #141
              Yeah... you again trying to change the subject by bringing up disabled people... what an eye opener.
              He is simply pointing out the inconsistancy of your position. I am actually quite surprised you have not even attemtpted to explain your position giving that glaring inconsistancy.

              I even asked nicely
              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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              • #142
                Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                Medicine has already given us the parameters to determine this. The only question is why is it not being applied consistantly?

                The simple reason why that position is invalid is because we don't kill patients for simply not being viable. Everyone on life support (even when not unconcious) are not viable by the same measure.

                How do you justify your inconsistancy?
                Not inconsistant at all... you are trying to apply the same standards to a living person and a non viable fetus... You are the one that's not being consistant.

                If there can be universal agreement on when the fetus is viable, yeah let's do everything we can to bring that baby into the world as long as it doesn't kill the mother. And before you bring up the crap of why is the babies life less important than the mother, and how that's not being consistant, I would just say BS. The reality is, if one has to die, the mother should be the one to make that decision, NOT YOU!
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • #143
                  Abortions can be required, after 28 weeks, hence late term abortions should be legal.
                  Why should they not be allowed in all cases?

                  Abortions earlier than 22 weeks should be legal due to economic and health reasons.
                  Economic reasons? You really are oblivious to the gaping holes in your logic aren't you?

                  Stuff in the middle is legalistic nightmare, but it has to be legal to abort due to health reasons.
                  Again, why shouldn't it just be legal anyway? Why do you need the "health reasons" justification?
                  "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                  • #144
                    Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                    He is simply pointing out the inconsistancy of your position. I am actually quite surprised you have not even attemtpted to explain your position giving that glaring inconsistancy.

                    I even asked nicely
                    No... he is trying to change the subject and use irrelevent examples to prove his moronic views... as usual from him.
                    Keep on Civin'
                    RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                    • #145
                      Not inconsistant at all... you are trying to apply the same standards to a living person and a non viable fetus... You are the one that's not being consistant.
                      That makes no sense, what I am doing is applying standards to an organism to determineif they are human, whether it is then okay to kill them is actually an entirely different question.

                      If it is not human, I don't care what you do with it.

                      If there can be universal agreement on when the fetus is viable, yeah let's do everything we can to bring that baby into the world as long as it doesn't kill the mother.
                      Again, the error in logic here should be readily apparent. If the fetus is viable enough to apply rights then it is human. Please explain why one human has a greater right to live than another as a matter of course.

                      Just for clarification Ming, when does a fetus become human? What is your parameter?

                      And before you bring up the crap of why is the babies life less important than the mother, and how that's not being consistant, I would just say BS. The reality is, if one has to die, the mother should be the one to make that decision, NOT YOU!
                      Wow, since when were you one to just waive your hand? Do you really have no justification for your position other than "just because?" You are entering creationist territory here...
                      Last edited by Patroklos; June 2, 2009, 15:28.
                      "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                      • #146
                        No... he is trying to change the subject and use irrelevent examples to prove his moronic views... as usual from him.
                        He is certainly being overzealous in his choice of analogies but his logic is sound. And you pretty much abdicated any ability to call him out given your hand waiving above. You can rectify that by actually tackling the tough questions.
                        "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                        • #147
                          What does GTFO stand for?
                          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                          • #148
                            Get The **** Out
                            You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                            • #149
                              Its an abbrieviation that children use when participating in threads that contain people who are ruthlessly tearing their thougtless postions to shreds and they can't handle it
                              "The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.

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                              • #150
                                Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                                Why should they not be allowed in all cases?

                                Economic reasons? You really are oblivious to the gaping holes in your logic aren't you?

                                Again, why shouldn't it just be legal anyway? Why do you need the "health reasons" justification?
                                Patty, C'mon dude, you can troll better than that.

                                At least I hope it's a troll, because otherwise you are one great weapon to prove that 20 week old fetii can compete in the real world.
                                You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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